Magic= easy mode

[Mr Jt (Gog is king)]

Would you agree on that or do you think melee is easy mode?

[D. Flame]

Originally posted by Mr Jt:

Originally posted by D. Flame:

I have repeatedly stated that I own and play the game on PS4. I am actually discussing the game while you are resorting to personal attacks.

I don’t get this responses. Why would someone talk about a game and not own it? I also don’t have a mouse cursor and own it physical on ps and on steam. My main account is only used for gaming and i barely write anything with it

It's an ad hominem fallacy.

Rather than try to debate my points, he is trying to discredit me, so people ignore them instead. Simple as that.

Also, it is sort of funny that he would also attack my avatar since it is from a game too.

[Nocturnal Pie]

I wouldn't call magic easy mode, I'd call knowing where all the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ spells are from the get go and beelining for those is easy mode. Someone just playing a magic build is probably just going to have a few projectile spells and maybe a talisman or two that helps with magic and they're likely to struggle on some bosses due to their highly aggressive attacks that push them into melee range often.

[D. Flame]

Originally posted by Nocturnal Pie:

I wouldn't call magic easy mode, I'd call knowing where all the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ spells are from the get go and beelining for those is easy mode. Someone just playing a magic build is probably just going to have a few projectile spells and maybe a talisman or two that helps with magic and they're likely to struggle on some bosses due to their highly aggressive attacks that push them into melee range often.

Except magic users are going to be fighting more like this:
https://youtu.be/C--4P-Ro1_c

They can use magic and melee weapons at the same time, and most of the best weapons in the game have int requirements and scaling.

[Moe]

I'm still pretty new to the game, around lvl 60. After getting the meteorite staff, lacuzi? Something glintstone sword, blackflame monk set and a few new spells (rock sling, carrion grandsword? And a few others)... It definitely feels a bit OP, atleast for right now. I still haven't dabbled in upgrading or ashes of war. 😂

[p30pl3h4t3m3]

magic was always called "easy mode" in soul games and that is pure bs. depending one the situation/enemy/yadayadayda magic or melee or something else/in between is "better".

you can't only play "magic missle pewpew", you will need melee sooner or later, using int weapons or go spellblade mostly.

even if you go melee, you will use magic sooner or later even it is only to buff your weapons.

and its not the fault of the game, if you don't use the tools you get...

[Nomeat710]

Originally posted by xxVoicELeSSxx:

Magic is an Easy Mode
Too much exploring is an Easy Mode
Many Ashes of War are an Easy Mode
Summoning, especially Mimick Tear is an Easy Mode
Bleed Builds are an Easy Mode and so on and on
This game either needs a very big balancing patch or a "Hard mode" which changes many little things like for example reducing the rune gain by 60-75%

your hard mode is NG+

[Alzakiel]

Originally posted by Mr Jt:

Would you agree on that or do you think melee is easy mode?

I mean yes and no ? I went for a mage with high int, then it became a spellblade and then i fought morgott and ended up dealing 7562 damage power stancing katana with bleed damage which was faster than spamming spells

Otherwise im pretty sure i could do similar with other bleed/frost weapons and i ain't about to stop myself from using nice weapons either. There is so many to try out anyway that i'll probably never end up using them all one way or another. I don't spend that much time on 1 game lol

New character im doing gonna use Golden Halberd + Erdtree shield. Well literally just cosplaying a Tree Sentinel to be honest lol

[Obiwan]

Originally posted by Kashra Fall:

Bleed is easier to play than magic. Bleed+bloodhound step= you don't know when or how to dodge things properly. At least magic still has to dodge sometimes.

that's not easy nor is it impressive since you step PAST enemies cause why would you attack things you zip past?

This thread if it MUST be answered is a resounding yes Magic is easy mode, and i would say anyone who says otherwise go dex, DONT go bleed and cheese, simply go dex and buid around the idea you have to be next to something and learning to dodge proper to deal with it.

But easy mode is not derogatory either, the fact is thanks to magic, thanks to alot of the options and ways around things this is THE most popular FS title ever and that will only mean good things for ALL of us so don't devolve this thread embrace it.

[T9]

Magic was always borderline broken

[Crim]

If you go in blind nothing is easy. I doubt most people can find meteorite staff or comet azur on their own. Which means you are stuck spamming pebble, a spell that makes ranna the witch laugh, and would take ages to kill malgrit/goldrick the grafted. Game is only easy if you cheat by using guides. I mean if you really DO find this stuff on your own it likely took hours of exploring and thus earned them.

[dustin1280]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Except magic users are going to be fighting more like this:
https://youtu.be/C--4P-Ro1_c

They can use magic and melee weapons at the same time, and most of the best weapons in the game have int requirements and scaling.

Let's break that down to show your ignorance yet again..

First the ONLY spell he is using is scholars armament which requires 12 int (ANY build can do this)
Then he is using Moonveil as his secondary and a Nagakiba as his main.
Moonveil requires: 12 Str, 18 Dex, and 23 int
Nagakiba requires: 18 Str and 22 Dex
I estimate his vigor at 20

and he has Nagakiba socketed with Glintblade Ash of War which gave it an INT scaling for primary damage.

A melee build would DECIMATE that boss WAY faster than what you are seeing in that video.
Just because he CAN melee does not mean he is GOOD at melee.
He did 224 with glintblade
616 with a jump attack
252 with naga hit per swing
222 with Moonveil per swing


Here is a melee video with no int
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOqTIt9jJTo
He is using bloodhound's fang which requires 18 STR and 17 Dex
His vigor is about double your video so 40.
671 per swing

and I am not even counting bloodhounds finesse, which does significantly more damage then Glintblade Ash of War

Again, you have proven you don't know what you are talking about.
Minimum level for both builds would be around 42, but it's hard to tell how stacked their primary damage stat is from either of those videos...

Every SINGLE TIME you post about magic being OP (and not just in this topic) it is:
A: Completely made up in your head
B: Based on little factual information
C: Or not looking at all factors involved...

WITHOUT FAIL you repeat these mistakes, every time...

[landmass]

Willing to bet 90% of the “easy” complaints are from the same crowd that Google “beat OP magic endgame pvp/boss melt build elden ring”

[Mesond]

Range means little risk and high reward. A player will not improve and do better that way.

Getting up close and personal is high risk and high reward. If you haven't done every boss (secret ones included) on new game +8 on Dark Souls 3 (let alone Elden Ring) then you haven't lived. Gale and Soul of Cinders was the best fun I had on +8 (solo) with sword and shield. I'm looking forward to seeing how Elden RIng +8 pans out. The enemies DO scale and keep up with the player.

I also used a crossbow for one minoboss (just wanted it done with to get that gold needle at that point) but it was too easy. Jump back on big branch. Shoot bleed arrows until it dies. It just wasn't fun. it was boring and tedious. Only reason I did it was because I wasn't prepared to deal with the rot pool there.

[Raidaxs]

Easy Mode?? Where is the easy mode?? I finished the game 3 times already and couldn't find any easy mode yet, I'm almost lvl 300 and I still die to some bosses cuz they kill me in 2-3 hits, specially Malenia, Fire Giant, Mogh, Elden Lord/Loux,...
I never used magic or ash summons cuz I like to enjoy 1vs1 against a boss so no ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ash spirit, mimic tear, summons or co-op all of them can GTFO.
Also Magic is useless sometimes, cuz the boss won't wait for you to charge your super kamehameha.
But the idea of this game is to let you to play it as you prefer, they give you the tools and you pick which one to use, so saying ''Easy Mode'' is depending what tools you use, you can make this game easier or harder depending of what you use and how you play.

[Alzakiel]

Originally posted by Taramafor:

Range means little risk and high reward. A player will not improve and do better that way.

Getting up close and personal is high risk and high reward. If you haven't done every boss (secret ones included) on new game +8 on Dark Souls 3 (let alone Elden Ring) then you haven't lived. Gale and Soul of Cinders was the best fun I had on +8 (solo) with sword and shield. I'm looking forward to seeing how Elden RIng +8 pans out. The enemies DO scale and keep up with the player.

I also used a crossbow for one minoboss (just wanted it done with to get that gold needle at that point) but it was too easy. Jump back on big branch. Shoot bleed arrows until it dies. It just wasn't fun. it was boring and tedious. Only reason I did it was because I wasn't prepared to deal with the rot pool there.

I mean it's one way to play the game, i've never been in NG+8 and never will be. But that's mostly because that's not why i play the game and im probably not alone into that.

Really, people should mind their own games and stop worrying about how other play their. We're all getting enjoyement out of it otherwise we wouldn't be spending nearly as much time playing it.

Like it's also not our first ''Souls'' game and their kinda all the same on what you mentioned about being a learning curve with melee only. so yeah i decided to not play melee only this time around and i don't regret it and i still have so much to explore and find out and also so many weapons to try too on new characters.

In the end Elden Ring feels more like a game where everyone find something to have fun with to the greatest displeasure of ''Older vets'' which seem to hate the fact a lot of the newbies are having fun lol.