EAC hurts a lot the performance of the game and don´t stop the cheaters

[Plata0Plomo]

the best anticheat this franchise has ever had was watchdog done by modders this one is bad and make the game performance bad or inconsistent
pls Bandai Namco or From Soft consider remove it and return to the old system or add other third party anticheat that don´t affect the performance this one is pretty bad don´t solve the problem and hurt the game

[warmy bear]

i thought EAC was ymmv in performance impact?
it's not what causes the stutters tho

[Plata0Plomo]

Originally posted by Warmy Bear:

i thought EAC was ymmv in performance impact?
it's not what causes the stutters tho

yes it is i tried this game without the anticheat and with the dx11 fix and i had stutters just entering new big zones

this game works 10 times better on dx 11 and without EAC this game doesn´t use any native dx 12 function you can complete the whole game using dx 11 and no EAC without issues the DX 12 seems to be a requirement of the EAC and not of the game wich is done only using DX11 like any other souls

[warmy bear]

Originally posted by Keroseno:

Originally posted by Warmy Bear:

i thought EAC was ymmv in performance impact?
it's not what causes the stutters tho

yes it is i tried this game without the anticheat and with the dx11 fix and i had stutters just entering new big zones

this game works 10 times better on dx 11 and without EAC

dx12 causes teh stuttering but EAC can still have impact, we literally know this. Having some fixes that sort it out for oyu isgood tho! Hopefully there's a proper fix via patch before too long

[SubsidedLemon]

I need sources for all claims. Anyone?

[Rinny]

EAC has no performance impact lmao maybe upgrade your toaster

[Plata0Plomo]

Originally posted by Warmy Bear:

Originally posted by Keroseno:

yes it is i tried this game without the anticheat and with the dx11 fix and i had stutters just entering new big zones

this game works 10 times better on dx 11 and without EAC

dx12 causes teh stuttering but EAC can still have impact, we literally know this. Having some fixes that sort it out for oyu isgood tho! Hopefully there's a proper fix via patch before too long

this game don´t need any DX12 function to work perfectly( i completed the whole game offline wihout a single crash or graphic bug ) i think that the dX12 requirement is for the anticheat or to raise the minimun requirements because the extra resources needed for the anticheat checking the process and memory all the time

[warmy bear]

Originally posted by SubsidedLemon:

I need sources for all claims. Anyone?

People have used community fixes to disable anti-cheat & some tweaks that supposedly minimize or even eliminate stuttering. The game also does not stutter on Steam Deck because of some Valve-side tweaks that were done, so it's 110% possible for Fromsoftware to fix it.

We know DX12 is responsible for the stuttering because the same problem is exhibited in not only multiple other DX12 titles/apis but also because Microsoft literally warn developers about issues that arise if the developer side is not set up to work with 12 (because it is, afterall, the objectively better thing than DX11) and if they're not familiar with it to use DX11 but for whatever reason Fromsoft used DX12 (possibly for more security features, idk).

[Snefru]

Just do away with multiplayer, that gets rid of EAC and people ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ about both items.

[SubsidedLemon]

Originally posted by Warmy Bear:

Originally posted by SubsidedLemon:

I need sources for all claims. Anyone?

People have used community fixes to disable anti-cheat & some tweaks that supposedly minimize or even eliminate stuttering. The game also does not stutter on Steam Deck because of some Valve-side tweaks that were done, so it's 110% possible for Fromsoftware to fix it.

We know DX12 is responsible for the stuttering because the same problem is exhibited in not only multiple other DX12 titles/apis but also because Microsoft literally warn developers about issues that arise if the developer side is not set up to work with 12 (because it is, afterall, the objectively better thing than DX11) and if they're not familiar with it to use DX11 but for whatever reason Fromsoft used DX12 (possibly for more security features, idk).

Can you refer me to any good sources on this? I'd like to learn about it. Sounds interesting.

[Plata0Plomo]

Originally posted by Warmy Bear:

Originally posted by SubsidedLemon:

I need sources for all claims. Anyone?

People have used community fixes to disable anti-cheat & some tweaks that supposedly minimize or even eliminate stuttering. The game also does not stutter on Steam Deck because of some Valve-side tweaks that were done, so it's 110% possible for Fromsoftware to fix it.

We know DX12 is responsible for the stuttering because the same problem is exhibited in not only multiple other DX12 titles/apis but also because Microsoft literally warn developers about issues that arise if the developer side is not set up to work with 12 (because it is, afterall, the objectively better thing than DX11) and if they're not familiar with it to use DX11 but for whatever reason Fromsoft used DX12 (possibly for more security features, idk).

this game don´t use any especific DX12 feature this game is 100% done on DX11 like DKS3 you can complete the whole game on DX 11 without issues bugs or missed features is the EAC what requires the Directx 12 to work the game works perfectly and waaay better without them the optimization of this game on DX11 is better than DS3 optimization i have more fps on this game open world than on the last dlc of DS3

[warmy bear]

Originally posted by SubsidedLemon:

Originally posted by Warmy Bear:

People have used community fixes to disable anti-cheat & some tweaks that supposedly minimize or even eliminate stuttering. The game also does not stutter on Steam Deck because of some Valve-side tweaks that were done, so it's 110% possible for Fromsoftware to fix it.

We know DX12 is responsible for the stuttering because the same problem is exhibited in not only multiple other DX12 titles/apis but also because Microsoft literally warn developers about issues that arise if the developer side is not set up to work with 12 (because it is, afterall, the objectively better thing than DX11) and if they're not familiar with it to use DX11 but for whatever reason Fromsoft used DX12 (possibly for more security features, idk).

Can you refer me to any good sources on this? I'd like to learn about it. Sounds interesting.

hm so like withoutt a steam deck myself you'll have to go off a small vid from the valve devs in https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2022/03/how-valve-made-steam-deck-the-first-pc-to-smoothly-run-elden-ring/ and DX12 having stuttering related to shader cache is...well it's been in games from Control to Fortnite and more. There are probably places more technical than I who could explain it better, i'm not exactly well versed in the tech lol just have a somehwat familitarity from adjacent fields of study

[Raigavin]

Originally posted by Keroseno:

Originally posted by Warmy Bear:

i thought EAC was ymmv in performance impact?
it's not what causes the stutters tho

yes it is i tried this game without the anticheat and with the dx11 fix and i had stutters just entering new big zones

this game works 10 times better on dx 11 and without EAC this game doesn´t use any native dx 12 function you can complete the whole game using dx 11 and no EAC without issues the DX 12 seems to be a requirement of the EAC and not of the game wich is done only using DX11 like any other souls

All claims and no proofs.

Here is a good tool to make framerate graphs.
https://www.capframex.com/

Please prove your claims.

[warmy bear]

Originally posted by Keroseno:

Originally posted by Warmy Bear:

People have used community fixes to disable anti-cheat & some tweaks that supposedly minimize or even eliminate stuttering. The game also does not stutter on Steam Deck because of some Valve-side tweaks that were done, so it's 110% possible for Fromsoftware to fix it.

We know DX12 is responsible for the stuttering because the same problem is exhibited in not only multiple other DX12 titles/apis but also because Microsoft literally warn developers about issues that arise if the developer side is not set up to work with 12 (because it is, afterall, the objectively better thing than DX11) and if they're not familiar with it to use DX11 but for whatever reason Fromsoft used DX12 (possibly for more security features, idk).

this game don´t use any especific DX12 feature this game is 100% done on DX11 like DKS3 you can complete the whole game on DX 11 without issues bugs or missed features is the EAC what requires the Directx 12 to work the game works perfectly and waaay better without them

Yes that's what I meant to say. But removing EAC alone from the equation (like with the .exe change) doesn't solve all the performance issues (from what I'm aware of). Hopefully we either get a fix or a swap to DX11 exe soon because it sucks & short of it being a really well optimized DX12 title there's no point to it.

Like I said, DX12 has caused perf issues in Fortnite and with that & EAC being Epic owned its pretty unlikely that they'd willingly sign up to an API where their own software would cause issues

[Sentient Entropy]

Originally posted by Keroseno:

Originally posted by Warmy Bear:

i thought EAC was ymmv in performance impact?
it's not what causes the stutters tho

yes it is i tried this game without the anticheat and with the dx11 fix and i had stutters just entering new big zones

this game works 10 times better on dx 11 and without EAC this game doesn´t use any native dx 12 function you can complete the whole game using dx 11 and no EAC without issues the DX 12 seems to be a requirement of the EAC and not of the game wich is done only using DX11 like any other souls

So you disabled both the anti-cheat and the multiplayer simultaneously but you're certain it's the anti-cheat. Hmm.....

[Plata0Plomo]

Originally posted by Sentient Entropy:

Originally posted by Keroseno:

yes it is i tried this game without the anticheat and with the dx11 fix and i had stutters just entering new big zones

this game works 10 times better on dx 11 and without EAC this game doesn´t use any native dx 12 function you can complete the whole game using dx 11 and no EAC without issues the DX 12 seems to be a requirement of the EAC and not of the game wich is done only using DX11 like any other souls

So you disabled both the anti-cheat and the multiplayer simultaneously but you're certain it's the anti-cheat. Hmm.....

or the anticheat or the DX 12 that the anticheat force you to use when the game doesn´t really need it this game is DX11 native like dark souls 3 or sekiro