Azur Staff or Carian glintstone staff?

[Lohikaarme]

I'm running a spellblade build. Mostly swords. The thing is, Azur is great for the cast speed, but the extra FP cost is kind of too much... Is the Carian Glintstone staff better at max upgrade? Did Adula's Moonlight benefit from it?

[Master]

Meteorite Staff!

[Shiroe (cortana)]

Originally posted by Luca:

Meteorite Staff!

you cant upgrade it and falls off very weak once you get another staff at +7

[HSBC OJ]

The Staff of Death is pretty good. Scales with both INT and FAITH

[Shiroe (cortana)]

well if you want a decent staff thats not meteorite and a staff that doesnt cost extra fp then i would suggest carian regal scepter or academy glintstone staff.
Both have high scaling, apart from luzat or azur.

The only major difference is that carian regal boost moon sorceriers and cost somber, while academy only cost normal smithing stones.

[Caz]

Originally posted by Lohikaarme:

I'm running a spellblade build. Mostly swords. The thing is, Azur is great for the cast speed, but the extra FP cost is kind of too much... Is the Carian Glintstone staff better at max upgrade? Did Adula's Moonlight benefit from it?

The difference is negligible at max upgrade levels between Azur and Carian. It's actually negligible between all the top staves.
I stopped using Lusat's because of the FP cost. I switched to Carian Regal Scepter and, even though it's several upgrades below my Lusat's, I'm still hitting for almost the same with Pebble, but at far less FP cost.

Don't forget the Radagon Icon talisman for faster casting (if you're not already using it).

Originally posted by Luca:

Meteorite Staff!

It's a great starter staff, but it falls way behind the other staves once they're upgrade to 7+.

[Lohikaarme]

Originally posted by Shiroe (Cortana):

well if you want a decent staff thats not meteorite and a staff that doesnt cost extra fp then i would suggest carian regal scepter or academy glintstone staff.
Both have high scaling, apart from luzat or azur.

The only major difference is that carian regal boost moon sorceriers and cost somber, while academy only cost normal smithing stones.

The problem here is, the game doesn't tell you which sorcery is actually the one of each school.

For example. Carian Glintstone says that boosts carian sword spells, but which ones are the "Sword spells"? Just the Carian ones? What about Adula's Moonlight? Loretta's Greatbow also works? That's my real problem with the staffs here.

[Caz]

Originally posted by Lohikaarme:

Originally posted by Shiroe (Cortana):

well if you want a decent staff thats not meteorite and a staff that doesnt cost extra fp then i would suggest carian regal scepter or academy glintstone staff.
Both have high scaling, apart from luzat or azur.

The only major difference is that carian regal boost moon sorceriers and cost somber, while academy only cost normal smithing stones.

The problem here is, the game doesn't tell you which sorcery is actually the one of each school.

For example. Carian Glintstone says that boosts carian sword spells, but which ones are the "Sword spells"? Just the Carian ones? What about Adula's Moonlight? Loretta's Greatbow also works? That's my real problem with the staffs here.

That's more a problem with the info given to the player about what spells/incantations belong to which school. It's one of my few gripes about the game.

[Cyiel]

Originally posted by Caz:

Originally posted by Lohikaarme:

The problem here is, the game doesn't tell you which sorcery is actually the one of each school.

For example. Carian Glintstone says that boosts carian sword spells, but which ones are the "Sword spells"? Just the Carian ones? What about Adula's Moonlight? Loretta's Greatbow also works? That's my real problem with the staffs here.

That's more a problem with the info given to the player about what spells/incantations belong to which school. It's one of my few gripes about the game.

Most of the time the first few lines in description give you a pretty good idea about it. And most of spells are sorted by school. And when it doesn't work you can still rely on testing to be sure.

if informations were made crystal clear it wouldn't be a Demon's Souls/Dark Souls/Sekiro/Elden Ring game.

[Lohikaarme]

Originally posted by Cyiel:

Originally posted by Caz:

That's more a problem with the info given to the player about what spells/incantations belong to which school. It's one of my few gripes about the game.

Most of the time the first few lines in description give you a pretty good idea about it. And most of spells are sorted by school.

But if informations were made crystal clear it wouldn't be a Demon's Souls/Dark Souls/Sekiro/Elden Ring game.

Its something really stupid among the whole series. Saying +X to A/B/C/D spell is nothing weird, inmersion breaking or anything. It's just plain laziness.

[Shiroe (cortana)]

Originally posted by Caz:

Originally posted by Lohikaarme:

The problem here is, the game doesn't tell you which sorcery is actually the one of each school.

For example. Carian Glintstone says that boosts carian sword spells, but which ones are the "Sword spells"? Just the Carian ones? What about Adula's Moonlight? Loretta's Greatbow also works? That's my real problem with the staffs here.

That's more a problem with the info given to the player about what spells/incantations belong to which school. It's one of my few gripes about the game.

yeah i know.
Its a bit wierd with all the passive boost spell types but never 100% know which ones they are.

But i wouldnt read into that so much, its not worth it in the end..
Just try to find a staff with high scaling

What i noticed earlier, before i respecced into melee.
Luzat staff +10 and 99 int gives you 430 in scaling and carian regal scepter gives you 388

[Drake]

Originally posted by Lohikaarme:

Originally posted by Shiroe (Cortana):

well if you want a decent staff thats not meteorite and a staff that doesnt cost extra fp then i would suggest carian regal scepter or academy glintstone staff.
Both have high scaling, apart from luzat or azur.

The only major difference is that carian regal boost moon sorceriers and cost somber, while academy only cost normal smithing stones.

The problem here is, the game doesn't tell you which sorcery is actually the one of each school.

For example. Carian Glintstone says that boosts carian sword spells, but which ones are the "Sword spells"? Just the Carian ones? What about Adula's Moonlight? Loretta's Greatbow also works? That's my real problem with the staffs here.

Loretta's bow uses the carian glintblade staff, not the glintstone one. The glintblade staff buffs the glintblade spells (including phalanx spells) and the loretta spells.
The glintstone staff works with the carian swords only (carian slicer, greatsword an piercer), adula is a frost spell (you need ranni's set for that one)

[Lohikaarme]

Originally posted by Drake:

Originally posted by Lohikaarme:

The problem here is, the game doesn't tell you which sorcery is actually the one of each school.

For example. Carian Glintstone says that boosts carian sword spells, but which ones are the "Sword spells"? Just the Carian ones? What about Adula's Moonlight? Loretta's Greatbow also works? That's my real problem with the staffs here.

Loretta's bow uses the carian glintblade staff, not the glintstone one. The glintblade staff buffs the glintblade spells (including phalanx spells) and the loretta spells.
The glintstone staff works with the carian swords only (carian slicer, greatsword an piercer), adula is a frost spell (you need ranni's set for that one)

Loretta's is for the Glintblade yeah, and Adula's works with Glintstone, i test it. Also, the speed is barely noticeable between both, with 40 Dex + Radagon's Icon. Seems that Glintstone is better for my build.

[dustin1280]

Best end game staffs are
Carian Regal Scepter
Lusat's Glintstone Staff
Azur's Glintstone Staff

Meteorite is best till you get one of those to +7 or better
Also fun fact, passives are always active, so if you have meteorite staff in left hand and lusat's staff in right hand (and cast from right hand)
You will still get the passive bonus from meteorite as well as everything you get with Lusat's

Lusat is my favorite if you have the mana to back it, otherwise you cannot go wrong with Carian Regal Scepter

[Lohikaarme]

Originally posted by dustin1280:

Best end game staffs are
Carian Regal Scepter
Lusat's Glintstone Staff
Azur's Glintstone Staff

Meteorite is best till you get one of those to +7 or better
Also fun fact, passives are always active, so if you have meteorite staff in left hand and lusat's staff in right hand (and cast right right hand)
You will still get the passive bonus from meteorite as well as everything you get with Lusat's

Lusat is my favorite if you have the mana to back it, otherwise you cannot go wrong with Carian Regal Scepter

Not what i'm looking at. Also, i tested Azur, and for me, is not near good option. Yeah, i can throw the Ranni DM faster, but just ONCE because of the FP consumption. Also, not the idea of the build.

Same case with Lusat's. Carian Regal gets outmatched with the Glintstone casting swords.

I think i will stick with the Carian Glintstone.

[dustin1280]

Originally posted by Lohikaarme:

Originally posted by dustin1280:

Best end game staffs are
Carian Regal Scepter
Lusat's Glintstone Staff
Azur's Glintstone Staff

Meteorite is best till you get one of those to +7 or better
Also fun fact, passives are always active, so if you have meteorite staff in left hand and lusat's staff in right hand (and cast right right hand)
You will still get the passive bonus from meteorite as well as everything you get with Lusat's

Lusat is my favorite if you have the mana to back it, otherwise you cannot go wrong with Carian Regal Scepter

Not what i'm looking at. Also, i tested Azur, and for me, is not near good option. Yeah, i can throw the Ranni DM faster, but just ONCE because of the FP consumption. Also, not the idea of the build.

Same case with Lusat's. Carian Regal gets outmatched with the Glintstone casting swords.

I think i will stick with the Carian Glintstone.

Or use the better scaling of Carian Regal, and put your Glintstone staff in your left hand to get BOTH benefits.

Also there is NO way that Glintstone (or glintblade) Staff scales better than Carian Regal at max level, that is simply false (even with it's passive bonus)