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Crimzarkin 2022년 3월 11일 오전 10시 30분
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To anyone who thinks Radahn is a bad and unfair boss fight
git gud https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cYPwvKgkd6o

Edit: I am not surprised with the salty comments of filth*y casuals who blame their skill issues on boss design. Nothing wrong with being a casual if this is ur first soulsborne.
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Funny how I recently fought that same enemy you talk about. While I do find that the ground slam with Scarlet Rot AOE is annoying as hell, I found that after LITERALLY 3-4 tries that it doesn't cover 360 around him. There is a spot behind him and directly below him that doesn't get covered in the Scarlet Rot cloud. You didn't know this? No right, because you are a tryhard edgelord that's really trying really hard to make it seem the bosses are unbalanced.
Try not selectively reading. let me put my exact reply to your idiocy in bold as well. Nice try, edgelord.
Try Reading. I even bolded and underlined the important parts for you.
You're the one trying too hard to sound edgy. You think it's the cruise control for cool? No, kiddo. You sound repulsive by being a tryhard.

Funny how I recently fought that same enemy you talk about. While I do find that the ground slam with Scarlet Rot AOE is annoying as hell, I found that after LITERALLY 3-4 tries that it doesn't cover 360 around him. There is a spot behind him and directly below him that doesn't get covered in the Scarlet Rot cloud. You didn't know this? No right, because you are a tryhard edgelord that's really trying really hard to make it seem the bosses are unbalanced.

AOE slam attacks? They are slow, telegraphed, and very easily punishable. I am mainly using Bloodhound Great Curved Sword, which is BTW, a slow weapon, but I can still very much manage to catch casters' DPS. Also, these AOE attacks are mostly ground slams that are extremely slow, so even if the boss spams it, you can get a single R1 at worst, but bosses spamming this extremely rarely happens.

"360 degree attacks"? No, they do not exist. The wide sweeps ALL bosses do that is NOT a ground slam has a blind spot. At worst, it's only slightly less than 180 degrees, but it has never covered more than 75% of their hitbox. They tend to do this move faster than AOE slam attacks, but are still very much punishable because it doesn't cover their whole hitbox.

"Tracking attacks"? You're pretty much not properly distancing yourself, or you're not getting close enough. Maybe try to learn the safe distance of attacks?

"spam fast attacks"? Radahn is a great example here. When he uses his fast combo, each one is two strikes, which these two can be covered by a single roll. This attack IIRC totals to around 3 attacks, 2 on the first 2, and a lunge sweep on the 3rd. In total, you need 3 decently timed dodge rolls to completely avoid this.

Dodge rolls are also not meant to give you the best iframes on a single direction. Certain attacks require you to dodge a certain direction, and it DOES NOT take an hour to find this out. You just want to be able to kill the boss in your first try, and you are an absolutely lazy tryhard.

Casters vs Melee: While I can agree to some extent that casters are OP, but they are just hard to counter in PvP because of the 2v1 mechanic. Solo, they are extremely slow casters even with 99 dex, and glintstone spammers can easily be countered with a certain shield weapon art that lets you spawn your own spam attacks that multiple this by 3. NOW VERSUS BOSSES, spellcaster plebs almost always tend to pump dex and leave vigor at 10. Even if they do pump vigor, their STR and END are so low they can't even wear a decent set of armour. Whereas vs a boss I'm underleveled against, I'd die in 2-3 hits, the same pure INT pleb dies in 1-2. So I'm not even sure what you're talking about here.

Overall, everything you've said suggests you have an extreme lack of experience playing these games. Just because you can build an OP character in Nioh 2 that can stunlock bosses and you eventually always stomping them, doesn't make ER's boss design bad because they can wreck you because of your bad gameplay.

Git gud, kiddo. You're obviously very lazy and unskilled.
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Kain 2022년 3월 11일 오후 12시 57분 
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You can do this with every boss if you are willing to spend 15 hours memorizing their frame data. Not really a fun way of playing.
Or just level up a bit. Find a PvE partner, summon a dusk phantom.
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Snobby Hobo 2022년 3월 11일 오후 12시 57분 
I'm not sure what any of this proves in your mind. Yea, you found Ongbal, one of the most dedicated Souls players there is. How does that compare to the average player? That's like saying nuclear physics is easy because there's a prodigy you happen to know who got 5 PhDs in the field.

To me the only thing this video does is reinforce what I already thought: Radahn is extremely difficult to read, because half the time he's only barely visible. And Ongbal has pinpoint perfect targeting; meaning that it's going to look much more erratic for the average player - while it already looks bad in his video.

Radahn isn't difficult, he's just poorly designed in terms of visual clarity. Which you could interpret as "unfair" I suppose.
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Crimzarkin 2022년 3월 11일 오후 12시 58분 
Incredibly average님이 먼저 게시:
I'm not sure what any of this proves in your mind. Yea, you found Ongbal, one of the most dedicated Souls players there is. How does that compare to the average player? That's like saying nuclear physics is easy because there's a prodigy you happen to know who got 5 PhDs in the field.

To me the only thing this video does is reinforce what I already thought: Radahn is extremely difficult to read, because half the time he's only barely visible. And Ongbal has pinpoint perfect targeting; meaning that it's going to look much more erratic for the average player - while it already looks bad in his video.

Radahn isn't difficult, he's just poorly designed in terms of visual clarity. Which you could interpret as "unfair" I suppose.
No ones comparing players, work on ur comprehension skills. It just disproves those who claim the boss is luck based/ has bad design
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Hekk 2022년 3월 11일 오후 12시 59분 
Damn, amount of people being pure ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cringe by saying that "OMG BUT HE HAS UPGRADED WEAPON!!1" is ridiculous. Radahn is an optional boss btw, and you can get enough materials in Caelid to upgrade unique weapons to +9 - which equals roughly to +23 upgrade of a normal weapon.
Touch grace noobs.
#124
Aluminum^1Haste 2022년 3월 11일 오후 12시 59분 
I accidentally cheesed this boss. I was trying out the dragon rot spell and noticed it did a ton of damage and his HP was ticking down. I wasn't really looking to beat him, I was looking for the secret dungeon in this arena so rode alllll the way across the map and found it, and noticed he had dropped aggro and was just going in circles with this health ticking down.

All of a sudden, he was in phase 2 with only 1/3 his life left.
Went back and rotted him again and ran away and he died.
Was a weird encounter as he was spanking the crap out of me for 10 tries.
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Snobby Hobo 2022년 3월 11일 오후 1시 00분 
Last Hunter님이 먼저 게시:
Incredibly average님이 먼저 게시:
I'm not sure what any of this proves in your mind. Yea, you found Ongbal, one of the most dedicated Souls players there is. How does that compare to the average player? That's like saying nuclear physics is easy because there's a prodigy you happen to know who got 5 PhDs in the field.

To me the only thing this video does is reinforce what I already thought: Radahn is extremely difficult to read, because half the time he's only barely visible. And Ongbal has pinpoint perfect targeting; meaning that it's going to look much more erratic for the average player - while it already looks bad in his video.

Radahn isn't difficult, he's just poorly designed in terms of visual clarity. Which you could interpret as "unfair" I suppose.
No ones comparing players, work on ur comprehension skills. It just disproves those who claim the boss is luck based/ has bad design

You don't really seem to understand what you are trying to say. Take a glass of water and calm down, your blood pressure seems through the roof.

You are attacking people who claim Radahn is unfair. Are those people Ongbal? No. They're average players. So you are comparing him to then, in an attempt to refute the boss being too hard.
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Sgt. Flaw 2022년 3월 11일 오후 1시 00분 
Git gud noobs
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Vagrant 2022년 3월 11일 오후 1시 04분 
bruh, Radhan is free. I beat him on my 2nd try while I kept summoning all my dudes as meat shields.

Yes, I said it, Radhan is free.
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Kain 2022년 3월 11일 오후 1시 06분 
Incredibly average님이 먼저 게시:
Last Hunter님이 먼저 게시:
No ones comparing players, work on ur comprehension skills. It just disproves those who claim the boss is luck based/ has bad design

You don't really seem to understand what you are trying to say. Take a glass of water and calm down, your blood pressure seems through the roof.

You are attacking people who claim Radahn is unfair. Are those people Ongbal? No. They're average players. So you are comparing him to then, in an attempt to refute the boss being too hard.
Average or not, the game requires a level of compromise to either play by its rules or bruteforce statswise (weapon upgrades, level ups, phantom upgrades), tools, learning patterns,gitingud, medallions, potions.

Either way you always have a choice on how to move forwards. I don't think any of them came with any good arguments on how the boss is broken, because it's not catering to their skill level or play style.
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Snobby Hobo 2022년 3월 11일 오후 1시 06분 
Vagrant님이 먼저 게시:
bruh, Radhan is free. I beat him on my 2nd try while I kept summoning all my dudes as meat shields.

Yes, I said it, Radhan is free.
"bruh" you have 82 hours in the game, and Radahn is the latest boss you defeated. You were horrendously overleveled at the point you fought him.
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Kain 2022년 3월 11일 오후 1시 09분 
Incredibly average님이 먼저 게시:
Vagrant님이 먼저 게시:
bruh, Radhan is free. I beat him on my 2nd try while I kept summoning all my dudes as meat shields.

Yes, I said it, Radhan is free.
"bruh" you have 82 hours in the game, and Radahn is the latest boss you defeated. You were horrendously overleveled at the point you fought him.
In your eyes he was overleveled, in his, maybe he was just exploring and having fun. There is no one true way of playing this game.

Instead of telling how people should play, maybe explain why the boss is terrible.
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Snobby Hobo 2022년 3월 11일 오후 1시 10분 
Kain님이 먼저 게시:
Incredibly average님이 먼저 게시:

You don't really seem to understand what you are trying to say. Take a glass of water and calm down, your blood pressure seems through the roof.

You are attacking people who claim Radahn is unfair. Are those people Ongbal? No. They're average players. So you are comparing him to then, in an attempt to refute the boss being too hard.
Average or not, the game requires a level of compromise to either play by its rules or bruteforce statswise (weapon upgrades, level ups, phantom upgrades), tools, learning patterns,gitingud, medallions, potions.

Either way you always have a choice on how to move forwards. I don't think any of them came with any good arguments on how the boss is broken, because it's not catering to their skill level or play style.

I'm in the camp that hates Radahn - even thinking he's the worst boss in the game, and I've now killed all but 1 bosses.

My argument is very simple: there is no visual clarity during this fight. When you use summons the fight will not be particularly hard, but it will be a ♥♥♥♥ show of unreadable erratic cleave attacks (which is practically all he does). If you don't summon, like I did, he's constantly either obstructing your screen with his cape, or he's barely visible as you can even see in the video in the OP. This makes his attacks extremely difficult to read - which isn't a big deal for a lot of enemies in the game, but it is for Radahn as he's constantly flying all over the place and hyper aggressive.

He just feels like a glorified gimmick boss, only combined with poor visual readability.
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Hekk 2022년 3월 11일 오후 1시 10분 
Kain님이 먼저 게시:
Incredibly average님이 먼저 게시:
"bruh" you have 82 hours in the game, and Radahn is the latest boss you defeated. You were horrendously overleveled at the point you fought him.
In your eyes he was overleveled, in his, maybe he was just exploring and having fun. There is no one true way of playing this game.

Instead of telling how people should play, maybe explain why the boss is terrible.
Probably because he uh.. moves.
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Vagrant 2022년 3월 11일 오후 1시 10분 
Incredibly average님이 먼저 게시:
Vagrant님이 먼저 게시:
bruh, Radhan is free. I beat him on my 2nd try while I kept summoning all my dudes as meat shields.

Yes, I said it, Radhan is free.
"bruh" you have 82 hours in the game, and Radahn is the latest boss you defeated. You were horrendously overleveled at the point you fought him.

STILL FREE
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Snobby Hobo 2022년 3월 11일 오후 1시 11분 
Kain님이 먼저 게시:
Incredibly average님이 먼저 게시:
"bruh" you have 82 hours in the game, and Radahn is the latest boss you defeated. You were horrendously overleveled at the point you fought him.
In your eyes he was overleveled, in his, maybe he was just exploring and having fun. There is no one true way of playing this game.

Instead of telling how people should play, maybe explain why the boss is terrible.
Don't be so defensive. Bosses are designed to be played at a certain level, if you overlevel they become too easy.

Clearly this happened to you as you feel the need to defend him. But it completely invalidates him calling the boss "free". Yes, if you're overleveled the boss becomes "free". That doesn't refute anything other players said.
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