Respec should be unlimited

[004]

I am wondering if anyone thinks the same about respecs being totally free or atleast infinitely grindable instead of being finite now. There are quite a few respecs you can do but its still annoying. Pretty much everything else is obtainable or like weapon and summon upgrades so why make respeccing a big deal? For me it make me hesitant about respeccing and experimenting with builds and if they want people to freely develop their character and therefor have no real class system this makes no sense to me. I know this wont be changed but let me know what you guys think.

[Eus]

I like how people claim that this stupid limit is there so that choices are meaningful, and then the same people tell you that the current respec limit is high enough that you don't need more to finish the game even if you respec for every region. Which one is it? Doesn't this mean that I can respec for every major boss in the game after unlocking respec anyways? Why do you claim that this makes choices meaningful and not meaningful at the same time?

The limit is completely arbitrary and adds nothing to the game except that if you want to have fun in pvp or mess around in the world with different builds regardless of your completion, you have to grind through the whole game all over again in order to not worry about the respec limit. This isn't about finishing the game, this is about playing with different builds even after I finish the game. Because as you all have already said, the current respec limit is enough to respec through the whole main story. If I really want to replay the game, I'll do so in ng+ or ng just because I want to replay it. How is this not an obvious concept to you? I don't want to replay the game because the game forces me to. That's not replayability, that's just forcing the player to do something. A respec limit is NOT a proper way to encourage replayability and it's not even required to do so. Replayability is already encouraged in this game with different endings, missable npcs/items/questlines/zones/bosses etc. etc.

Also for those comparing this to the previous souls games, the previous souls games required you to spend a way less amount of time to achieve a complete build than elden ring does. I don't know why you're comparing them.

[Moth]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Total He-Brew:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Medraut:

No it should not.

I even think that 15 respec is way too much, because it allows you to pretty much entirely stop worrying if your build works because if it doesn't you have 15 more tries, it takes away commitment to your choices.

DS3 had only 5

DS2 had 11 or so

I really think they catered to a less Souls-RPG-Familiar customer population with a whopping 15 respecs when realistically you should use like 2 or 3 at max unless you're really obtuse and refuse to understand how the game's scaling works after 50+ hours.

I hope you realize you call me a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ for wanting to try out different classes with different builds and not want to spent a ton of time on making several fully equiped characters by replaying the entire game for just that purpose. Its just boring to do it again, especially with how massive the game is. Its why alot of MMO`s these days have tryout builds on high level before you start. So you dont waste alot of time because thats basicly all it is while you say its about meaningfull choices.

15 Respec allows you to pretty much try every build on a single character

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Moreover, when you start a new run you can easily go and grab whatever you need, there's barely any "Yellow Lordvessel Fog" gated area so to speak, unless your build requires a boss-drop

[Tao314zdin]

Well people say backups are not bannable so if true - there are you infinite respecs

[004]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von TyresTyco:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Total He-Brew:

You know whats funny? That people who are defending this think they are all brilliant players and expect everyone to be commited as they are or be told that "its just not a game for you". That From Soft games are really hard to play while with the correct builds the games are actually not that diffiicult (except Sekiro maybe which is more straight forward with its mechanics). In the end its just about time invested in these titles and i dont want to spend hours on something i`d enjoy but now dont because i have to repeat the same task over and over again.

And there is nothing wrong with that. You have to expect the usual " git gud " responses here. It wouldnt be a souls forum if they wouldnt do that. You can point out the most minor stuff nobody cares about for real and yet still get mindless fanboy responses.

I mean I kinda see the reasoning behind respec limits. In former games. But in this one.. eh all the freedom and yet still limited in attempts to build a unique and nice character within one playthrough.

Actually there is something wrong with fanboy statements which lack proper arguements because it keeps a normal conversation from happening. If people would just say that they disagree with a reasoning of why instead of saying "Git gud" or "maybe this game isnt for you" i can respect that.

[004]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Artorias:

Instant gratification is a horrible disease in this age. Patience is a virtue so just level up and enjoy the game.

This is not about instant gratification. Its about the enjoyment of the game which offcourse is different for everyone. I just see no point in not experiencing all the game has to offer unless i do multiple playthroughs of a massive game because its not enjoyable to do.

I use this quote "patience is a virtue" myself and it has nothing to do with mindless grinding the same stuff. Games have a purpose to be enjoyed and its enjoyment is different for everyone but i think the mass majority wont say that they like to grind out stuff in games.

[004]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Tao314zdin:

Well people say backups are not bannable so if true - there are you infinite respecs

I know you can use a trainer and after i finish the game i probally will to try out the different builds. If you ask me though if the game should have unlimited respecs to explore all playstyles and pick the one you like without making too much mistakes so you`ll have to do another playthrough then my answer is definately yes.

[004]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Medraut:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Total He-Brew:

I hope you realize you call me a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ for wanting to try out different classes with different builds and not want to spent a ton of time on making several fully equiped characters by replaying the entire game for just that purpose. Its just boring to do it again, especially with how massive the game is. Its why alot of MMO`s these days have tryout builds on high level before you start. So you dont waste alot of time because thats basicly all it is while you say its about meaningfull choices.

15 Respec allows you to pretty much try every build on a single character

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DEX
INT
FTH

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Moreover, when you start a new run you can easily go and grab whatever you need, there's barely any "Yellow Lordvessel Fog" gated area so to speak, unless your build requires a boss-drop

No it doesnt, there are builds which you can spec into attribute scaling builds or you can make builds where you go for ashes of war/skill potency or for incantations/spells. There are so many options. Then there are the differences of seeing how much vit you put in as a trade of too your damage skills, or to try max arcane. You are refering to the cooky cutter builds that are out there and i try to stay way from those. That ruins a large part of the game experience for me.

You can choose many options between melee heavy, melee speed, sorcery and incantations, summons, pure damage or tank and everything in between.

I dont want to do a rerun of a massive game where i invested in exploring every nook of the map by myself without help from most external information. Because you explore it yourself it takes alot of time. Also that there is no journal to keep track of your quests is compelte garbage. I now grab a pen and paper to write it down but i guess to the fanboys that is great fun to do! Also if you have a quest system without a journal atleast make it so you can write notes on the map instead of the stupid markers.

[004]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Medraut:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von TyresTyco:

I keep seeing people saying these are farmable at some boulder mimics. Might freaking tell us finally where exactly? I hate it when people say something but without any directions... underground towns... yeah... like I know one there >.<.

To my knowing the tears from boulders are a one time drop.

I would certainly experiment more if I could farm them. I mean 15 tears are enough I guess but with the silly amount of stuff we can use.. it still kinda is limiting.

You could...like

explore?
In this heavy-exploration-oriented open world?

The whole point is i explored pretty much everything myself so far without help from external information and it takes a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of time. Its fun to do once, not so much to do it again where you google it all because i dont keep the entire game stored in my brain. Its a waste of time compared to if you would have limitless respecs.

[004]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Netsa:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von TaquitoBurrito:

Free respeccing means choices are meaningless because you don't have to commit. 10+ per playthrough is more than generous imo

This.

Also, can't believe someone's complaining about respecs when the most serious threat to your build diversity is smithing stones. I have to actually level this crap, man.

Nice to see that talking about something is immediatly complaining.

[Filthy Peasant]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Judge Cudge:

You can farm larval tears from killable boulder mimics in one of the underground towns.

[Pacino]

No, that goes against the principles of the game design. That would basically mean that you could just respec to suit every area you go to and every boss you fight. At that point why not just have the option in the menu? Better yet, just start the game with 99 in every spec. Do you see the flaw in this line of thinking? What you're suggesting would completely change the mentality of how you'd play the game. Besides all that, you get plenty of chances to respec as it is. I have 9 larval tears without even trying to find them and I've only respec'd twice. If you don't want to compromise then you'll need to farm. If you don't want to farm then unlucky. This is the kind of game it is, you can't have everything handed to you.

[XGear]

Its a pve game so, i do not see a problem unlimited respecs for people try tons of build tests. On youtube you can find alot, but with tons of spoilers.
but @pacino is right, it could end the fun somwhow since you could overcome any challenge respecing all the time.

[004]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von EagleFive:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Total He-Brew:

Really? So why are there no different classes then and is freedom to build whatever you want boasted about so much? You know, i can respect good arguements and people disagreeing but all i see with From Soft games is defending everything with that the game has no mistakes and is perfect as it is. The community is very defensive about it and cant come up with logical arguements.

How come people who talk about being logical always seem to be the least able to grasp said logic?

I get some logic that people use in their statements here and i see their point. Others have no logic at all and bring empty statements to the table. But fine if you want to meaningless conversation. It doesnt matter if i waste time on this or spent more time on another build on my second character in Elden Ring, its both ♥♥♥♥ :D

[004]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von XGear:

Its a pve game so, i do not see a problem unlimited respecs for people try tons of build tests. On youtube you can find alot, but with tons of spoilers.

Getting the cookie cutter build right of the bat is no fun to me.

[004]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Parsify:

No.

Show a little bit of commitment to your builds, dude.

I have, i enjoyed it and now want to try out something else. Doing the same thing for 30 hours get boring. Its not like after you get your starter build running that there is much new stuff to do with it unless you go sorcery where you can explore new spells and incantations. Why not have the option to switch it up whenever you want and make the game even more fun. I would be amazing for me.