Malenia is possibly the worst boss ever

[Kalvix]

Seriously... I don't mean that in a "shes hard" kind of way, as she really isn't, she's just super cheap and RNG heavy and I'm already tired of fighting her.

She has a few normal attacks that are like an actual souls boss, and then she has her super all around whirlwind ball of death that WILL kill you if you aren't lucky, and yes I mean lucky as so far as a melee build I've found it almost impossible to avoid without a mimic to tank it for me, and when I had a sorc mate helping he couldn't avoid it either all the time as for the last couple burst it dashes straight to you no matter the distance, and that is enough damage to kill you at 45 vigour.

Then lets say you get lucky, she doesn't use mega insta death often and you get lucky when it is used, you then need to get lucky in the opening of the 2nd phase and not be 1 shot by the exploding bomb of flower, and then after that hope you are lucky and she doesn't use it again.

Seriously this boss is not fun, she's not a challenge, she's annoying and RNG heavy. The few normal attacks she has that I can dodge actually make me sad as it highlights how she could easily have been a really fun boss, where you learn he moves and slowly improve till you win, but then they added 2 bull**** moves that you can't learn and will just kill you most of the time.

[Nauct]

Originally posted by Noeat:

Originally posted by Kalvix:

Because abusing a talisman and quick step for easy dodging by just spamming (person in no hit wasn't timing it, just spamming) isn't "using your brain" or "learning her patterns", it's simply abusing something broken to make the fight trivial. I have no doubt that doing it like this will make the fight very easy as you can spam dodge without even thinking, but it's not even close to making it a fair or well made fight.

which one no hit you mean?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jZ3c12Ghiw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV2wTjQ9ijw

here guide how to dodge it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72_yLXmIJN4

That last video. Run, dodge behind, walk behind then dodge! I'm gonna do it!

[Noeat]

Originally posted by Nauct:

Originally posted by Noeat:

which one no hit you mean?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jZ3c12Ghiw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV2wTjQ9ijw

here guide how to dodge it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72_yLXmIJN4

That last video. Run, dodge behind, walk behind then dodge! I'm gonna do it!

good luck!
it really remind me Nioh :D
at end it looks like its not THAT hard, but that timing, oh my.. it bring memories :D

[Left-Hand Path]

Originally posted by Nauct:

Originally posted by Reyn:

she gets staggered to oblivion with Heavy attacks ...

This is what I'm discovering trying to beat her with a claymore. If it's not the glow of her sword arm switching or a jumping attack, she gets staggered even just with R1

She is beatable, I am at best an average souls player, maybe worse and I defeated her. Is this a fun fight though ? In my opinion it is not.

The problem is her flurry, not because it´s unavoidable in general, in fact I know how to manipulate and position her in a way that I can avoid the first one and even the second without taking damage running medium load without gimmicks, but the setup part of this tactic still has a small chance to backfire. And this only covers her first phase.

You have to have her start the flurry at range, then it´s still a tight dodge at the end, but doable. If she starts it at melee range however, you can survive it, but it becomes a crapshoot. If you fail, you are not only barely surviving, but she has recovered a lot of HP as well.


And for what it´s worth, I watched several streamers which are considered good players after I defeated her just to check if this was a "me" problem.
Most if not all came to the same conclusion and in a lot of cases, their succesful attempt was without her using the flurry during the second phase at all.

The flurry becomes much worse during the second phase. At least the added scarlet rot buildup doesn´t matter, because you are dead anyway ....

[Nauct]

Originally posted by DJ Geräteschuppen(Ricochet):

Originally posted by Nauct:

This is what I'm discovering trying to beat her with a claymore. If it's not the glow of her sword arm switching or a jumping attack, she gets staggered even just with R1

She is beatable, I am at best an average souls player, maybe worse and I defeated her. Is this a fun fight though ? In my opinion it is not.

The problem is her flurry, not because it´s unavoidable in general, in fact I know how to manipulate and position her in a way that I can avoid the first one and even the second without taking damage running medium load without gimmicks, but the setup part of this tactic still has a small chance to backfire. And this only covers her first phase.

You have to have her start the flurry at range, then it´s still a tight dodge at the end, but doable. If she starts it at melee range however, you can survive it, but it becomes a crapshoot. If you fail, you are not only barely surviving, but she has recovered a lot of HP as well.


And for what it´s worth, I watched several streamers which are considered good players after I defeated her just to check if this was a "me" problem.
Most if not all came to the same conclusion and in a lot of cases, their succesful attempt was without her using the flurry during the second phase at all.

The flurry becomes much worse during the second phase. At least the added scarlet rot buildup doesn´t matter, because you are dead anyway ....

Yeah I'm at the point now where she either doesn't do a triple death flurry phase 1 and I kill her and die instantly phase 2. Or she does the thing and kills me phase 1. I'll have to practice tomorrow with coffee, but yeah that move is a wall

[guts' theme (Cut & Looped)]

I have gone through all of this game making the best effort to make slow ass strength weapons and heavy armor work, but this boss is seriously my ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ breaking point. This might be the first boss I have to use a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ spirit summon.

[Sono]

it wouldnt be so bad if it wasnt for the healing...that was going too far. Especially with every attack.

[Moth]

The only issue with her is that her healing is not based on the damage you suffer, but on merely hitting, that is to say even blocking and taking 0 damage will automatically have her heal.

And that is flat out wrong as it's not even Lifesteal anymore it's just....heal on hit?

[Left-Hand Path]

Originally posted by Nauct:

Originally posted by DJ Geräteschuppen(Ricochet):

She is beatable, I am at best an average souls player, maybe worse and I defeated her. Is this a fun fight though ? In my opinion it is not.

The problem is her flurry, not because it´s unavoidable in general, in fact I know how to manipulate and position her in a way that I can avoid the first one and even the second without taking damage running medium load without gimmicks, but the setup part of this tactic still has a small chance to backfire. And this only covers her first phase.

You have to have her start the flurry at range, then it´s still a tight dodge at the end, but doable. If she starts it at melee range however, you can survive it, but it becomes a crapshoot. If you fail, you are not only barely surviving, but she has recovered a lot of HP as well.


And for what it´s worth, I watched several streamers which are considered good players after I defeated her just to check if this was a "me" problem.
Most if not all came to the same conclusion and in a lot of cases, their succesful attempt was without her using the flurry during the second phase at all.

The flurry becomes much worse during the second phase. At least the added scarlet rot buildup doesn´t matter, because you are dead anyway ....

Yeah I'm at the point now where she either doesn't do a triple death flurry phase 1 and I kill her and die instantly phase 2. Or she does the thing and kills me phase 1. I'll have to practice tomorrow with coffee, but yeah that move is a wall

It helps to have a weapon where ypu can stagger her with regualr R1, but you allready have this covered. : )
Also jumping attacks may give you a free critical if you hit her like 5 - 6 times.
She seems to recover posture/poise when she hits you though. The amount of jumping attacks needed feels inconsistent and the aforementioned theory is the only thing I can think of why that is.

[GermanyMan]

IMHO shes the best boss in ER so far. Epic introduction, epic moves and you need alot of skill. If you dont got the skill dont fight her. Shes optional.

[Nauct]

Originally posted by DJ Geräteschuppen(Ricochet):

Originally posted by Nauct:

Yeah I'm at the point now where she either doesn't do a triple death flurry phase 1 and I kill her and die instantly phase 2. Or she does the thing and kills me phase 1. I'll have to practice tomorrow with coffee, but yeah that move is a wall

It helps to have a weapon where ypu can stagger her with regualr R1, but you allready have this covered. : )
Also jumping attacks may give you a free critical if you hit her like 5 - 6 times.
She seems to recover posture/poise when she hits you though. The amount of jumping attacks needed feels inconsistent and the aforementioned theory is the only thing I can think of why that is.

My go to opener in this game is jumping R2, then as many R1's as allowing.
However with her jumping R2 risky to open with if I don't know what she's going to do, so usually I kind of side walk her a bit, try to poke with an R1. A lot of my R1's hit her in the head so usually only takes an R2 for a stun after a bit of back and forth.
She's so bullyable and so deadly at the same time

[Left-Hand Path]

Originally posted by Nauct:

Originally posted by DJ Geräteschuppen(Ricochet):

It helps to have a weapon where ypu can stagger her with regualr R1, but you allready have this covered. : )
Also jumping attacks may give you a free critical if you hit her like 5 - 6 times.
She seems to recover posture/poise when she hits you though. The amount of jumping attacks needed feels inconsistent and the aforementioned theory is the only thing I can think of why that is.

My go to opener in this game is jumping R2, then as many R1's as allowing.
However with her jumping R2 risky to open with if I don't know what she's going to do, so usually I kind of side walk her a bit, try to poke with an R1. A lot of my R1's hit her in the head so usually only takes an R2 for a stun after a bit of back and forth.
She's so bullyable and so deadly at the same time

There are a few moves you can punish with a jumping attack after, I am not sure about the animation lentgh of the claymore though.

Her uppercut fallowed by a downward stab, her grab and her forward lunging stab for instance have fairly long recovering animations before she returns to neutral.

[Nauct]

Originally posted by DJ Geräteschuppen(Ricochet):

Originally posted by Nauct:

My go to opener in this game is jumping R2, then as many R1's as allowing.
However with her jumping R2 risky to open with if I don't know what she's going to do, so usually I kind of side walk her a bit, try to poke with an R1. A lot of my R1's hit her in the head so usually only takes an R2 for a stun after a bit of back and forth.
She's so bullyable and so deadly at the same time

There are a few moves you can punish with a jumping attack after, I am not sure about the animation lentgh of the claymore though.

Her uppercut fallowed by a downward stab, her grab and her forward lunging stab for instance have fairly long recovering animations before she returns to neutral.

Yeah her sword change moves, dodge back and to the side and she's right there for a jump attack, same when she does that jumping vertical down slash.

[Kalvix]

Originally posted by Noeat:

Originally posted by Kalvix:

Because abusing a talisman and quick step for easy dodging by just spamming (person in no hit wasn't timing it, just spamming) isn't "using your brain" or "learning her patterns", it's simply abusing something broken to make the fight trivial. I have no doubt that doing it like this will make the fight very easy as you can spam dodge without even thinking, but it's not even close to making it a fair or well made fight.

which one no hit you mean?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jZ3c12Ghiw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV2wTjQ9ijw

here guide how to dodge it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72_yLXmIJN4

I mean it's encouraging to know it CAN be cheesed, but no armour and I imagine talisman to help dodging kinda highlights how bs it is still as it suggests that having armour doesn't matter against her as she'll basically 1 shot you if anything connects anyway so you may as well just accept that and be super dodgy. Might just try putting on the dodge talisman and removing all my armour for this fight as it seems like its the best way to deal with it from these.

[inlimuniter]

It was that butterfly phantoms attack she does in second phase that kept killing me, especially when it gives you scarlet rot. I found the way the camera looks up at her floating made it very hard to dodge the phantoms. Especially annoying that she'd keep doing it when I was maybe one or two attacks away from defeating her. The waterfowl dance she does was certainly annoying, but was mostly able to partially dodge it then tank the rest of it with veteren armour, damage reduction talisman, hp boasting talismans and black flame buffing. I did defeat her in the end but basically just cheesed her with hoarfrost stomp and mimic tear +10. My mimic tear just spammed lightning and dragon attacks at her then rolled away and healed himself, lol. It was all rather trivial in the end once I gave into cheesing her.

Conceptually I thought she was brilliant, with the whole butterfly scarlet rot and prosphetic limb samurai anime lady thing she's got going on. Shame the mechanics didn't match the spectacle in this fight.

[Nauct]

Turns out spacing out her flurry combo doesn't work very well with medium load. Have to learn to dodge up close