How do people find secrets in this game?!

[Janthis]

I just looked at a walkthrough for Raya Lucaria Academy and it showed me at least 4 places I completely missed because they were hidden behind illusionary walls. How do people discover these things given there are no clues, just hit every wall at random? And don't say messages or online guides, because how did those people find them in the first place?

[Kashra Fall]

Accidentally roll backwards into them, but most illusionary walls are obvious. In Raya for instance, they are bookshelves with no books.

[An Irate Walrus]

Originally posted by Johnny_B_80:

I just looked at a walkthrough for Raya Lucaria Academy and it showed me at least 4 places I completely missed because they were hidden behind illusionary walls. How do people discover these things given there are no clues, just hit every wall at random? And don't say messages or online guides, because how did those people find them in the first place?

If you've been with the series for a while, you learn to recognize certain areas/setups as being suspect, and test them. It's not quite like it was with DOOM 93, where you'd be breaking the space bar on your keyboard testing every inch of every wall--there are environmental "tells" old hands know to look for.

The method isn't 100% accurate, but neither is believing every "hidden path ahead, therefore try attacking" message you come across.

Trial and error, really.

...mostly error.

[Dan_The_Noob]

everyone just rolls into walls until one opens. then they mark it. future people know "this spot has been checked" and do so in the next room. etc until eventually they're all marked and in theory everyone is upvoting those messages... peak fromsoft co-op

[Ed]

The ones in Raya Lucaria are some of the obvious ones

[Snefru]

I had no idea they existed till came across one a few days ago. I avoid guides on first play through so didn’t know they were even an option. Since then I’ve come across a handful but now I feel the need to go back through all-the places I’ve been and check. I play offline so messages can’t spoil anything for me.

[VectorX]

You just examine suspicious things. If you've played alot of Dark Souls you can usually spot conspicious walls so you just try hittting them or rolling at them. Sometimes they are illusory, sometimes they are not. Just gotta try your luck. And then others might have found walls you missed so everyone puts their findings together and eventually you can find guides that have all of them.

Also on PC there are many software options like mesh viewer that let you see places you can go out of bounds or discover "removable" walls so even if trial and error doesn't work there is always an option to use additional software if you want to make a detailed guide, for example.

[ṼṏẌṏḭḊ]

Sometimes some walls just look too sus. Or you might be rolling to dodge an enemy and end up going straight through the wall.

You can also take your chances with messages. If you see a bunch by a wall, take a swing at it and see what happens,

[Dan_The_Noob]

Originally posted by Snefru:

I play offline so messages can’t spoil anything for me.

the messages are the best part of the game D:
they can only spoil something that you're going to figure out 2 seconds later anyway.

[Shift]

Hidden walls always have a pattern. For example, in saves the wall is usually flatter than normal. In Raya Lucaria, the shelves have no books, and so on.

But mostly it's through player messages from someone who found it. Nevermind the trolls who tell you there's a hidden wall everywhere.

[Necrotic]

1 word............... GUIDES

[Snefru]

Originally posted by Dan_The_Noob™:

Originally posted by Snefru:

I play offline so messages can’t spoil anything for me.

the messages are the best part of the game D:
they can only spoil something that you're going to figure out 2 seconds later anyway.

No. I’m pretty slow. Lol. I was 60+ hours in before finding a illusionary wall. My first runs I just have to play, in any game. Took me about 12 hours to know how to level.

[SalmonPenny2648]

Just look at the messages. Most of the hidden wall messages are trolls, but many of those come with liar ahead messages.

[haru_k6]

At Raya Lucaria, you can recognize existence of hidden wall because of items you can't reach(without hidden wall).

[DAWN OF THE DEAD]

Most of the time if you look around, you can see some unreachable areas and think . . . hm how to i get where, and you start searching, or a door which is closed from your side, or item on the roof...

Or just smash/roll in to all walls

[LootMech]

we roll or attack every wall, sometimes only suspiscious looking wallls but thats how i only found to illusory walls in raya lucaria, guess I'm going back now and rolling against more walls till I find the rest