Stop trolling about how this game is masterpiece

[twitch|spider0666]

This game isnt masterpiece.

It isnt the best game like someone of us saying.

This game have large amount of unadressed problems.

Speaking about PC clone

1.)camera
Camera is clunky. Very offten slow and jamming (most evident even u have dialog menus).
Camera isnt 360°. So for example you are sneaking on bottom. Mob is on top and you cant see him. You can see him from different angle and if you move to see him than u became easily seen and hitable.

Lets demonstrate clunky camera on example here:
1) You cant see any further to top: https://ibb.co/3Bm7S09
2) If you want see top you have to move far away: https://ibb.co/DfFD5Cf


Another story is how camera behave in fight (so here is borrowed description from community member daz) :

"The way the camera functions, especially while strafing, is unforgivable. For KB+M, the way the lock on will jump around if you even nudge the mouse is infuriating and has caused far more deaths than it ever should. Having an option to allow attacking in the direction of the camera instead of the direction the character is facing would bump the score a couple points. Fix the camera and lock on and it would jump the score by several points.
"


2.)mobs hitting (meelee and spells) throw walls

3.)game isnt smooth even on very expensive computer

4.) bad controls and UI. It is evident that is designed for console controler.

5.)player mobility offten feels like being handicaped hero. But mobs movement outperfm player badly. This probably relates to bad camera and controls.

6.) bad game balance

7.) poor ingame help

8.) unfixed exploits

9.) linear design dungeons
And most stuff can be skipped. Its ridiculous. Just run horse, collect items.... Its Meh

10.) crazy bad targeting system (speaking about spells)
For example u on top. Mob on bottom. you should easily nuke him but this mess just direct your fireball to wall. Only solution is to fire from different distance, but spells also have effective range.

11.) hard melee gameplay
This relate to point 6. So every dude just go for nuking easy button with spell that dont have much issues with targetting.


I could be adding more and more problems as I continue playing.

But after all, game have also shinies parts. Music is very good. Graphics is nice.

So please dont tell me this is 10/10. It simply isnt. At current state its about 7/10 if am lover or RPG and genre and dont want to hurt ER much. So far for me its unfinished product.
Sorry.

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So I will be adding more points that will prove that this game is average. Not masterpiece at all.

12.) Sea - water factor
In game is no info what happen if you go into the water. So you have to find out.
So you walking on beach and try go to water. 1 meter in water ok you can move further. 2 meters you instantly die.


13.) corrupt save data factor
It is sad that in AAA game you can lost hundreds of hours progress because incopetence of developer.
There exist various ways how your save data may be corrupted.

For more info about 13) seek here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/tf39p3/hacked_and_now_infinitely_falling/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/tezkcc/me_and_my_friend_got_hacked_and_now_we_fall/



This is masterpiece? lmao

[SaintBalor]

Now you know, kids! Stop trolling the internet with your opinions, only OP is correct

[Altimely]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย marios:

This game isnt masterpiece.

It isnt the best game like someone of us saying.

This game have large amount of unadressed problems.

Masterpiece doesn't mean without flaw.

[bubblegumrockya]

1) Camera is your fault, if you target switch you target switch, though I can't imagine you forgetting about an enemy because you aren't looking at them and forgetting you still need to dodge the swing they were charging up
2) Fair enough, bugs will be patched out eventually
3) Game runs fine on my computer, 3090, i7-10th gen 16 GB ram, SDD (since we're talking about high-end)
4) Yes, the game was made for console, I'm glad you found that out. However, there are options in the game menu to swap the control pop ups to KB+M rather than just controller.
5) What is so difficult about moving around exactly?
6) Possible skill issue? Obviously the later weapons will be stronger than earlier if that is what you mean
7) The point
8) Fair enough, though I will have to say my only experience of a bug in ER was getting stuck in the ground once from a boss, and then dying. Otherwise in 75 hours of playing, I'm good. Much better than regular AAA games
9) Yes, the open world aspects do get fairly stale once you get to a certain point in the game, but those minor dungeons do still have stuff worth picking up in my opinion.
10) Back up?
11) Melee is not hard, rolling gives you invulnerable phases. However, if you're using a heavy load (which you should not be) then yes, it will be more difficult.
12) Really? You couldn't see the obvious edge in the water?
13) Fair point, It's important to back up your saves and use any other measures players have made for multiplayer.

[Noeat]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย BlackSunEmpire:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Noeat:

Fallout didnt manage that.. never, not even Fallout 2 ..and those were openworld 3D iso RPG. you cant even swim in AC, it is possible only from AC2..

Evolution of swimming in Assasins Creed games:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a6Ws9mcI9g

Swimming in Fallout games:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72hJRsASu1o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=841ACYgvOTY

in your clips arent Fallout and Fallout 2, nor even first AC

[An Irate Walrus]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย BlackSunEmpire:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย An Irate Walrus:

Different games, different rules.

Deep water has always been instant death in the SoulsBorne titles. Unsure why anyone would've expected this to change.

Elden Ring is an open world game, just like the games I listed.
Trying to defend something with "it has always been this way in Fromsoft games" isnt much more reasonable either.

Fromsoft games had also always:

- bad netcode
- limited framerates
- unstable framerates

Doesnt make those things acceptable or good, even if they where there since day 1.

"Because other open world games allow swimming, so too should Elden Ring" is such a weird permutation of the post hoc fallacy that I'm not sure where to begin.

...the faulty logic of comparing a design choice to technical flaws is no better.

[g]

You can't even change the difficulty of the weekly challenges, come on...

[luckyshot5135]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย An Irate Walrus:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย BlackSunEmpire:

Elden Ring is an open world game, just like the games I listed.
Trying to defend something with "it has always been this way in Fromsoft games" isnt much more reasonable either.

Fromsoft games had also always:

- bad netcode
- limited framerates
- unstable framerates

Doesnt make those things acceptable or good, even if they where there since day 1.

"Because other open world games allow swimming, so too should Elden Ring" is such a weird permutation of the post hoc fallacy that I'm not sure where to begin.

...the faulty logic of comparing a design choice to technical flaws is no better.

^this, the reality is elden ring isn't just good cause the world, it's the tight gameplay, the fun bosses, the interesting weapons, etc yes performance has issues every now and then but it's not so much that it takes away from gameplay, the fact i've noticed is alot of these people are complaining about souls staples and how all souls games play.

When it comes to a souls like, GAMEPLAY trumps all.

If you don't like the gameplay and limitations of souls games, you won't like the gameplay and limitations of elden ring, stop trying to make it something you'll like by forcing change on those who like it.

[ZAToM]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย AlpineD:

the problem my dude, is lack of competition. just take a look at recent high budget releases and tell me you could honestly blame the vast majority of hacks here for praising this game.
I think it's a 6/10 because of how much content they reused and how mundane and simple the gameplay is but an ugly person will always look more attractive if you compare them to an abomination mangled by a chainsaw.

so you are saying this game is 6/10 compared to (most) other games which are, idk 3/10? i could agree with that

[Corona Scurrae]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย ZAToM:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย AlpineD:

the problem my dude, is lack of competition. just take a look at recent high budget releases and tell me you could honestly blame the vast majority of hacks here for praising this game.
I think it's a 6/10 because of how much content they reused and how mundane and simple the gameplay is but an ugly person will always look more attractive if you compare them to an abomination mangled by a chainsaw.

so you are saying this game is 6/10 compared to (most) other games which are, idk 3/10? i could agree with that

oh most definitely

[Qubert]

It's a masterpiece. 100%

Every game out there has issues that today's over sensitive gamer's will love to point out. As it compares to other open world single player games, it's a masterpiece.

[BlackSunEmpire]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Noeat:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย BlackSunEmpire:

Evolution of swimming in Assasins Creed games:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-a6Ws9mcI9g

Swimming in Fallout games:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72hJRsASu1o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=841ACYgvOTY

in your clips arent Fallout and Fallout 2, nor even first AC

Who cares if the first 2 Fallout games from over 20 years ago didnt have swimming in them.
And who cares if the first Assasins Creed game from over 14 years ago didnt have swimming in it.

I literaly posted a video which shows the last 6-7 AC games all having swimming in them.
I dont understand your logic. Are you saying that 3 games from 14-20 years ago not have swimming in them, is a good excuse for the open world game Elden Ring not having swimming in it in 2022 ?

[Alexandre]

Git gud casul

[BlackSunEmpire]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย luckyshot5135:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย An Irate Walrus:

"Because other open world games allow swimming, so too should Elden Ring" is such a weird permutation of the post hoc fallacy that I'm not sure where to begin.

...the faulty logic of comparing a design choice to technical flaws is no better.

^this, the reality is elden ring isn't just good cause the world, it's the tight gameplay, the fun bosses, the interesting weapons, etc yes performance has issues every now and then but it's not so much that it takes away from gameplay, the fact i've noticed is alot of these people are complaining about souls staples and how all souls games play.

When it comes to a souls like, GAMEPLAY trumps all.

If you don't like the gameplay and limitations of souls games, you won't like the gameplay and limitations of elden ring, stop trying to make it something you'll like by forcing change on those who like it.

Not including swimming was never a design choise for them. They literaly left it out, because they were to lazy to code it in.

If they had active gripes against swimming as a mechanic they wouldnt had coded it into Sekiro. For Elden Ring they where just too lazy to merge the Sekiro development branch with the DS development branch.

Also if anything I would say "Elden Ring is good, despite the world, missing world interactions, framerate, stutters, enemy and boss recycling, controls, riposte, backstab and jumping animations, graphics,,,,,"

Despite, not cause ;)

[Qubert]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย BlackSunEmpire:

is a good excuse for the open world game Elden Ring not having swimming in it in 2022 ?

Why does it need swimming? Besides the ocean the map is surrounded by there really is no need for swimming.

[BlackSunEmpire]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Qubert:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย BlackSunEmpire:

is a good excuse for the open world game Elden Ring not having swimming in it in 2022 ?

Why does it need swimming? Besides the ocean the map is surrounded by there really is no need for swimming.

Because its an open world game, with large bodies of water in it.
And they could have added lakes and rivers and included swimming and diving into the gameplay and exploration, like they did in Sekiro (kindoff), to make the world feel less one dimensional. And increase the interaction with the world.

Instead of just copy and pasting DS3 into an open world setting and calling it a day.