Elden Ring´s PVP is sadly Broken

[Stazi]

The overall Weapon Balancing Weapon arts/ashes are terrible you get insta one shooted nearly every Invasion. There are Spells that are so insanly Broken like the one IDK it´s correct name what fills the enemys curse meter just by standing near him, and it fills it up in like 1 or 2 second which means immedate death without even doing anything. Arcane spells with a mediocre leveling of 30 are doing over 1200 damage and track you down. Some Weaponarts do way to much dmg to in comparison of their scaling. Greatsword specially blaidds dual wielding are staggering you till death. There is not even a chance to dodge except you did not get hit.

As a huge Souls-fan and completionist of many SL1, BL4 and Sekiro NO HEALS, NO DMG UP runs and a big souls PVP Enjoyer.
It´s by far the worst PVP of all. It is just unbalanced in Pvp, there Runes/Souls rewards are to minor to care and the overall fun is just none existend when you get stand to death by curse from a person not wearing armour or a weapon in 2 seconds..

Overall the Game is amazing the world is huge. The Bosses are Challenging specially Malenia. Loved this Boss fight, probably the hardest Boss in every Souls Game yet. The Weapons are cool, weapon arts too. I´m a bit disappointed about the Armours. They are good looking, great details and beautiful but they don´t look like Souls Armour, and there is overall not a lot of Armours in total like it was in Dark Souls or Bloodborne. I also hoped to see some of the older ones back, like Artorias/Wolf Knight Armour or Cainhurst Armour for example. These were one of my personal favourites. If the Game gets DLC´s i hope to see them there. :D

[Doom Punk]

Gigachadx lähetti viestin:

no whats broken is the dogsh!t 2v1 and 3v1 invasion system now. watching DS1 clips of 1v1 invasions makes things feel better back in the good old days. you'd invade, gank some noobs and have a blast.

now you have you to do mental gymnastics every time you invade just to farm some rune arcs.

Fromsoft is definitely catering to the casual soft carebears now making sure every invasion is only with people who are co-op instead of just when somebody uses a rune arc and it puts you at risk for invasion like how it used to be with humanities or embers.

you won't see pvp be some great thing people loved to do in this game like they did in dark souls since its such a chore now. maybe next game Fromsoft will get it right and bring back the old way of 1v1 invasion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYRaBay3h5w

"Just git gud bro"

Also word of advice, farm rune arcs in coop. Much better of an experience to do so.

[DayLight1943]

Gigachadx lähetti viestin:

no whats broken is the dogsh!t 2v1 and 3v1 invasion system now. watching DS1 clips of 1v1 invasions makes things feel better back in the good old days. you'd invade, gank some noobs and have a blast.

now you have you to do mental gymnastics every time you invade just to farm some rune arcs.

Fromsoft is definitely catering to the casual soft carebears

you mean casual carebears that cant be bothered to get good enough to face 2 or 3 far less experienced players??? invading is supposed to be hard. fighting ganks is fun.

there are very serious balance issues in ER that make invasions overly difficult and overly absurd, but not being able to invade random noob solo hosts is NOT one of them.

[Muscarine]

DayLight1943 lähetti viestin:

you mean casual carebears that cant be bothered to get good enough to face 2 or 3 far less experienced players??? invading is supposed to be hard. fighting ganks is fun.

there are very serious balance issues in ER that make invasions overly difficult and overly absurd, but not being able to invade random noob solo hosts is NOT one of them.

People are already camping low level areas such as the academy with full end game gear

All FromSoft did with these designs is encourage even more twinks

[Dracula]

Drahknon lähetti viestin:

All the tools you mentioned are open for you to use as well.

not really sure how that's an argument, just because things are universally broken doesnt mean its fun or fair

[Mr.Fuzzynuts]

DayLight1943 lähetti viestin:

Gigachadx lähetti viestin:

no whats broken is the dogsh!t 2v1 and 3v1 invasion system now. watching DS1 clips of 1v1 invasions makes things feel better back in the good old days. you'd invade, gank some noobs and have a blast.

now you have you to do mental gymnastics every time you invade just to farm some rune arcs.

Fromsoft is definitely catering to the casual soft carebears

you mean casual carebears that cant be bothered to get good enough to face 2 or 3 far less experienced players??? invading is supposed to be hard. fighting ganks is fun.

there are very serious balance issues in ER that make invasions overly difficult and overly absurd, but not being able to invade random noob solo hosts is NOT one of them.

yeah no, argument doesn't fly. i can spin that around and say you mean carebears who can't git gud and just deal with the invader that is in your world now?

now you guys think you have the biggest balls in the world since you always have a friend with you. i see how that works.

[Muscarine]

Gigachadx lähetti viestin:

yeah no, argument doesn't fly. i can spin that around and say you mean carebears who can git gud and just deal with the invader that is in your world now?

No, carebears who geared up specifically to fight pve and suddenly have to deal with a completely optimal player killer build using stuff they won't have access to before another 50 hours

As much as i loath the anti invaders crowd, people like you are part of the reason why it ended up the way it did

[wildrivers]

AI just mostly stand about until right on them Open World is Bland no Towns or city's to go to Just nothing same thing over and over

[Bithound]

The game has too much content to expect pvp to be balanced. And when I say content I mean, weapons/spells/ashes of war etc. Have to take the good with the bad.

[DayLight1943]

Muscarine lähetti viestin:

People are already camping low level areas such as the academy with full end game gear

there are also plenty of gankers and co-op groups doing the same. it is not specific to invaders.

its an open world game where you can get tons of great gear by just riding your horse around an exploring. its time to rethink what makes a "twink".

the game gives hosts the ability to password summon overleveled phantoms with end game gear, and the game also gives invaders the ability to go thru the game at low level and get end game gear. its just a part of the game.

when the game first came out and people struggled with margit, the common advice was - go explore, level up and get better gear and then come back when your character is stronger. the exact same thing applies for invasions and co-op. if you find you are constantly getting clapped by invaders with better gear, jump on your horse and go load up on healing upgrades and better weapons. its an open world game without linear progression, and any player can go all over the map and get all kinds of gear from all different stages in the games main story.

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try invading near the white mask guy for the quest, 9/10 it's a 3 player group waiting to gank.
Hell, my first 1-2 hours of gameplay on the 4th day of release were spent helping people with my base prisoner fight the golden knight at the start. Think in that short span of time, I got pulled by someone who summoned me, summoned another and kept summoning duels just to gank them.

Legit watched in awe for a few of these before I fingered out. It even sucks more now since you can't see who you met and block them, so in theory they can just keep summoning you fishing for ganks :/

[Muscarine]

DayLight1943 lähetti viestin:

there are also plenty of gankers and co-op groups doing the same. it is not specific to invaders.

Yes

DayLight1943 lähetti viestin:

its an open world game where you can get tons of great gear by just riding your horse around an exploring. its time to rethink what makes a "twink".

No

You have to go out of your way to max out your flask, grab 100+ poise gear, specific talismans and 4 pouches, and some extra weapons you can absolutely not get just by strolling around the open world

All this by deliberately staying around level 50 and +4/+8 upgrades so you can keep invading Limgrave and Liurnia

For the coop summons it's even worse because they don't even have to put in the effort to twink, they're just twinks the instant they're summoned, the scaling barely has any impact

[idiotdoomspiral]

Anyone seen that South Park episode, Make Love Not Warcraft? The dude with the dagger who one shots everyone = every invader in this game

[Flushing]

Muscarine lähetti viestin:

DayLight1943 lähetti viestin:

there are also plenty of gankers and co-op groups doing the same. it is not specific to invaders.

Yes

DayLight1943 lähetti viestin:

its an open world game where you can get tons of great gear by just riding your horse around an exploring. its time to rethink what makes a "twink".

No

You have to go out of your way to max out your flask, grab 100+ poise gear, specific talismans and 4 pouches, and some extra weapons you can absolutely not get just by strolling around the open world

All this by deliberately staying around level 50 and +4/+8 upgrades so you can keep invading Limgrave and Liurnia

For the coop summons it's even worse because they don't even have to put in the effort to twink, they're just twinks the instant they're summoned, the scaling barely has any impact

I absolutely strolled around in the open world in the beginning and got extra flasks that way, an amazing summon early that I couldn't even use at the time, and lots of runes for level boost. Just because you played the game linear or weren't able to do something does not mean that applies to everyone else.

It's certainly no Skyrim when it comes to open world but you absolutely can explore from the very beginning and stray off the linear path.

[Stazi]

I simply gave up on PvP as it is right now. Simply because it is unfun with these insta Curse Build/bug and some other things that are well... Kinda well overtuned? Without picking a side if they are broken or not. FOR EXAMPLE (Greatshield, Heavy armour, Straight sword of any kind good luck breaking that poise with a Katana or greatsword. Nearly impossible that sounds kinda funny and it actually is they poke you to death. Idk reminds me of someone poking you with a fork.. ) (I saw some real cool builds too, like these sanity builds, some really cool ice and fire builds, but it well will never truly shine..)

New Game+ i must say it loses grip too, i´m just 146 and i one shot every boss with weapon arts.. It´s fun for a few seconds but then.. it´s boring.

I will only do if i´m hyped up again challenge runs, like playing with a lvl 1, getting better at parrys. Or no deaths, or just simply finish the game without glitches or this stuff in a few hours.

Also a lot of discussion of topic about the difficulties made it kinda unenjoyable..
People abusing this for views, like making it a boomer/zoomer discussion. (Grow Up Internet)

For example Mage is baby mode (Yes in my personal opinion it is.) but let ppl play how they like. Some ppl want it challenging others don´t.
But they should not lower the difficulty in general this Game is already the easiest Souls game. (I literaly finished the Game in my first playthrough blind without using these little Helper thingies.. actually not intentional i had no idea you can level them up.. until i was nearly done an thought they were absolut garbage and FP waste. xD Greatsword abuser btw) Only Malenia was specially Hard for the first time... This woman shuts you down.^^

But even the discussion about the lowering of Game difficulties is so wrong these Games were always like this. Thats why i play and bought them. Miyazaki also said in an Interview at release they won´t change difficulties even in future projects and People still discuss it, if you don´t like it in the first place, why did you bought it then? That´s the Game. You just jumped on some hype train or did it for views like most Influencer ? Instead of checking out the previous games.

Btw kinda dislike these glitch runs too... Never liked these speedruns anyway..

and for the Guy who wrote about the Armour, i know it. Yea there is a exiled Version of it too. Which you can farm in Farum Azula or Dragon communion church. Like I said they look good and are beautiful and all.. but they never really got me like the Ds3, BB Armour and Men you can tell whatever you want, Cainhurst was definitly the best looking Armour. :P :D I hope for a return in some way in a DLC just as a wish like Wolf Knight Armour nothing i demand or something. :D Just a cool thing to see some Old Armours finding there way in Elden ring or getting new looks. :)

[Koios]

I miss my DS3 PvP. My tactics in Elden Ring is more about trying to understand where I am when I invade, and try to see what the host already killed etc so I can take advantage of the environment. It's a different type of fun that implies being sneaky, and find tactics more than fair and honest 1v1 or 1v2 fights.