One shot stops when?

[Mathalis]

So I have 30 vigor and 20 endurance with Full plate and still get 1 shot by everything other than the simple mobs...is there a point where every fight isn't a 1 shot and die fight? It doesn't seem hard, rather just tedious.

[brownie689]

Considering my vigor is half of what yours is and I'm not getting 1 shot I would say you're doing something wrong. The only enemy who has been able to 1 shot me is the golden knight on the horse near the start of the game. I also have almost no armor.

[causality]

Any boss attack that is 1 shotting you at 30-40 vigor is so telegraphed that you can literally just walk away from it in most cases. Spacing is way more important than trying to tank hits and trade with a boss that can blender you.

[Lenox]

Keth původně napsal:

Mathalis původně napsal:

People like you are what's wrong with society.

And people like you are what's wrong with video game communities.

You do no research in to a game series, you jump in completely blind expecting it's going to be something it's not, you whine about how you don't get what's going on, then you get upset at people that tell you, factually, what the game is and how it works simply because you're angry that the game you impulse bought didn't live up exclusively to your personal preferences.

These games are hard, they are designed to be hard from the ground up, the entire point of the design philosophy is "experience joy and satisfaction from overcoming hardship". You don't level up to become a god like in other RPGs, you're leveling up just to have a fighting chance.

If that's not something you like in a game, then as I said, you literally couldn't have picked a worse franchise to get in to.

I'm not trying to invalidate your viewpoint, because there are many ways to play a game. But I actually applaud people that don't read up on the game beforehand. I tried to read, discuss, and watch as little as possible before playing Elden Ring. I had played a few playthroughs of Dark Souls 1 though.

It is a more difficult starting experience, but makes discovery more interesting. Instead of living in wikis or Googling everything where you can sometimes find spoilers instead of figuring it out through experience. I find forums are better for targeted questions sometimes, which is what the OP has done.

[TheLastDesperado]

I think I'm only on about 24 vigor and I think the only thing that's one shot me was 1 specific attack from the magma wyrm.

So I don't know what you're doing. Are you just fighting bosses in end game areas?

[Lenox]

Mathalis původně napsal:

Romeolea původně napsal:

I would not give up. I'm trying to make a Paladin build myself. Str/Fth/Int. I'm I think 20pts in whatever the HP point is. I think 20 in str right now. I can tank pretty good. I use the Brass Shield as well as Uchigatana +3 for now. I have armor that looks like a skeleton you get from a quest. I still get 1 shot, but I have that Ashe that lets you block and significantly reduces stamina loss while up. I think you have the same one. I have a plan on what sword I want to use and I'm leveling for that. I'm not sure about the armor, I was curious if you could level it up like you do the swords but I guess that is not the case.

There's a sword at the high end that requires 30 int and 30 faith to use. Currently I am using a broadsword +3 with a sacred ash on it. I am using the armor from that first fort. The big Godrick kngiht, not the soldier at the moment. Maybe this build will be great after you get all these stats up, but having to focus on Str, Vig, End, Int, and Faith all at the same time is rough.

If you aren't in a level-appropriate area, I think you may be spread too thin on stats? I recommend you choose 3 stats to focus on.

Additionally, it's a fallacy that you need a shield with 100 Physical Guarded Damage Negation for the playstyle you seek. This was also untrue in Dark Souls 1, although mentioned as fact too often. Try different shields out and compare numbers and feel if you don't believe me. I've already done this in both games on various enemies. Pros and cons of using each option of course.

Just don't discount greatshields that have non-100 physical damage negation. Sometimes getting hit for 5 damage per hit is better than allowing an enemy to chain attacks and potentially doing 600 on you. I'm looking at you, Banished Knights of Stormveil Castle.

Some enemies don't recoil, however, which I think makes greatshields' utility useless. Can you you mentioned your location, level, and enemy that's giving you trouble?

I don't get 1-shot by almost anything. I sometimes 2H my main weapon(s) to test this.

I played a parry / riposte Bandit Knife + Target Shield/Buckler thief style in Dark Souls 1, so I wanted something different for Elden Ring. And I typically do not like ranged combat in video games.

Here's where I am:

Location: Stormveil Castle
Site of Grace: Liftside Chamber

Level 44
Vigor 30
Endurance 27
Strength 16
everything else 10

Equip Load: Med. Load (various setups)

Godrick Knight Armor
Godrick Soldier Helm
Godrick Soldier Gauntlets
Godrick Soldier Greaves

I will be switching to the Banished Knight set soon.

Weapons:
- Lordsworn's Greatsword +3 (main)
- Warpick (next main maybe)

Shields:
- Brass Shield (main)
- Wooden Greatshield (next main maybe) -- 79 Physical Guarded Damage Negation
- Lordsworn's Greatshield -- got too heavy and weapon skills are too much fun

vs Banished Knight with Halberd:
- 5 hits taken w/o dying & without blocking
- 16 hits taken w/o dying & blocking with Wooden Greatshield (1-2 hits unblocked)

[VadeN]

Mathalis původně napsal:

So I have 30 vigor and 20 endurance with Full plate and still get 1 shot by everything other than the simple mobs...is there a point where every fight isn't a 1 shot and die fight? It doesn't seem hard, rather just tedious.

I have a mage with 25 vigor and 9 endurance with low armor and i nearly never get one-shot.
Just block or roll big attacks.

[Mesond]

TheLastDesperado původně napsal:

I think I'm only on about 24 vigor and I think the only thing that's one shot me was 1 specific attack from the magma wyrm.

So I don't know what you're doing. Are you just fighting bosses in end game areas?

This reminds me. Caelid is a high level area. Still he right stats for the location, but only just.

Here's a map of the game. https://www.powerpyx.com/wp-content/uploads/elden-ring-full-world-map.jpg

Limgrave is the first area. Liurnia is the second (scailing wise). You can get a quest from the manor in the northwest which sends the player to a large underground location. It sends you to mistwood to get there (btw, head to mistwood and talk to the merchant to meet the NPC there first before heading to Limgrave). What basically happens is that while farming areas the player is sent to locations. Make SURE you hit the giant pot in the southwest Lurnia swamp. Don't ask why, just do it.

That's the chain of events for early game. This is the early game content in the areas with enemies that will be good for early levels. By the time I found this out I was mid level and it was a cake walk. The underground city mobs were easy for me because I already rushed ahead to the volcano (got more XP from the harder area).

From here the player can either head to the volcano (north) or Caelid. I went with the volcano. Caelid has giants and dragons in spades.

Still have yet to get further into the game (and I started fresh because I rushed ahead). This should give an idea of what locations to head too in what order so enemies don't wipe the floor with the player. Provided you don't skimp on vigor. And as long as you use NPCs/ash summons.

Seriously, use the ash summons. They saved my ass more then once.

[Forblaze]

I have 30 vigor, wear medium armor, and get one shot all the time. I was just fighting Roundtable Knight Vyke and he has a jump attack. His jump has a wind effect that will stagger me and his plunging attack kills me. It has so little windup i can't roll away before getting staggered and if I block with less than half of my stamina bar (30 endurance) i'll have my guard broken and die as well.

Black Knife Alecto will also one shot me with both his grab attack and his aoe attack.

The gargoyle outside of the bestial sanctum will one shot me if he does his black flame wind aura even if i'm guarding without even making actual contact with me.

Really, almost every boss will one shot me if they get any solid hit in. Chip damage is the only thing I survive, and the boss will frequently have a follow up.

I don't know what game you guys are playing where you're able to take hits and survive.

[Lenox]

Forblaze původně napsal:

I have 30 vigor, wear medium armor, and get one shot all the time. I was just fighting Roundtable Knight Vyke and he has a jump attack. His jump has a wind effect that will stagger me and his plunging attack kills me. It has so little windup i can't roll away before getting staggered and if I block with less than half of my stamina bar (30 endurance) i'll have my guard broken and die as well.

Black Knife Alecto will also one shot me with both his grab attack and his aoe attack.

The gargoyle outside of the bestial sanctum will one shot me if he does his black flame wind aura even if i'm guarding without even making actual contact with me.

Really, almost every boss will one shot me if they get any solid hit in. Chip damage is the only thing I survive, and the boss will frequently have a follow up.

I don't know what game you guys are playing where you're able to take hits and survive.

I haven't faced any of that stuff so I can't comment. What level are you and what shield are you using? Plunge from the air attacks will usually deplete a lot of the stamina while blocking though.

[Zyrconia]

Mathalis původně napsal:

twiggy původně napsal:

When you stop getting hit or leveling up your vigor more

So I wanted to build a tank character that could heal and take some hits. Is the only way to play this game to build a low armor dodge class?

You 100% can't face tank in this game. Taking 1,2,3,4 small individual hits might be ok if you are tanky.

But if those hits are part of a combo they will either kill you of stunlock you.

You can't tank with a shield big combos.

Some big combos can't even be dodged though, you need tor recognize the tell and back away as fast as possible.

Being tanky means not dying in 2 hits, but 3, if and only if you properly block, dodge, avoid important hits. But big hits or 6+ hit combos will 100% kill you or leave you staggered.

[Forblaze]

Lenox původně napsal:

I haven't faced any of that stuff so I can't comment. What level are you and what shield are you using?

99. I usually use a brass shield since it's the highest stability non-great shield I have.

[Mesond]

Forblaze původně napsal:

I have 30 vigor, wear medium armor, and get one shot all the time. I was just fighting Roundtable Knight Vyke and he has a jump attack. His jump has a wind effect that will stagger me and his plunging attack kills me. It has so little windup i can't roll away before getting staggered and if I block with less than half of my stamina bar (30 endurance) i'll have my guard broken and die as well.

Black Knife Alecto will also one shot me with both his grab attack and his aoe attack.

The gargoyle outside of the bestial sanctum will one shot me if he does his black flame wind aura even if i'm guarding without even making actual contact with me.

Really, almost every boss will one shot me if they get any solid hit in. Chip damage is the only thing I survive, and the boss will frequently have a follow up.

I don't know what game you guys are playing where you're able to take hits and survive.

Yea, black knife assassins will kill you with grab attacks. Easy enough to dodge with practice though. It kills me in one hit too. But that's a GRAB attack. With hit and run tactics you can out fight them (back up. Get in a hit. Back up. etc). Shield is a good safety net. Just NEVER stand still. NEVER stop backing up. They shouldn't grab you if you keep doing that (they only get me when I get careless).

The NPC invader you can probably bypass. Can always fight them later. Get better spells or try swinging a sword. The later forces them to dodge roll more. You can exploit that. Spear might make that more tricky though.

[Lenox]

Forblaze původně napsal:

Lenox původně napsal:

I haven't faced any of that stuff so I can't comment. What level are you and what shield are you using?

99. I usually use a brass shield since it's the highest stability non-great shield I have.

OK. It will probably take me a couple weeks to reach you. Looking forward to it. I'm still level 44 and in Stormveil Castle. I also use the Brass Shileld, but I swap others in and out based on fun and need.

[Ronin]

Nothing in the start area can one shot you past 20 VIG. They can 99 HP you though. I'm level 55 and the toughest (hardest hitting) enemy is still the Tree Sentinel and the mine troll (it's surprise bonus super attack).

[lekayrnthon]

Angel "El Bizco" původně napsal:

Mathalis původně napsal:

So I have 30 vigor and 20 endurance with Full plate and still get 1 shot by everything other than the simple mobs...is there a point where every fight isn't a 1 shot and die fight? It doesn't seem hard, rather just tedious.

You have to explore more, AKA grind.

Worst part about the game imho.

lol EXPLORATION WORST PART I cannot.