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Sp3akerWolf 26/fev./2022 às 17:31
No horses in "CO OP"?!
Are you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ serious?! This massive map and you force people to walk around!? I've heard people say that it would be a mess but no, it really wouldn't.

You wouldn't be able to use the horse in pvp because guess what, when you get invaded, IT KICKS YOU OFF THE HORSE! Not to mention bosses wouldn't be much different either because the people you summon to your world get nerfed to hell. This also removes those jump boosts placed around the map, limiting your traversal of the map EVEN FURTHER.

Removing the ability to ride the horse in multiplayer was the DUMBEST ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ decision I've ever seen made for a game, aside from CD Projekt Red releasing Cyberpunk two years too soon.
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Escrito originalmente por Ronin:
The summon system is designed for you to be summoned to help others with bosses or for you to summon others to help you with a boss. Most signs near bosses are there from people intending to fight the boss. I find summons at campfires are happy to show you something or just follow you anywhere, very handy for getting your runes back. Random summons around the world are rare.

While I think a coop-campaign sort of thing would be cool, especially considering how well the reactions are from the bosses when fighting with summons or other players. I think that would defeat a very core part of the game however which is overcoming adversity by yourself. Once you defeat a large boss, it's gone. I think it's best to beat a boss by yourself before fighting it with others so you get the full experience. I've only summoned for one boss I couldn't defeat myself. I then spent over an hour staying there and being summoned to help others defeat it, got around 12k runes and better/more efficient each time - this is the purpose of the multiplayer. It's not a "multiplayer game". It's a single player epic souls-like game with a "summon" feature for both spirits and other Tarnished. The idea is you temporarily summon help or be summoned as help from or to another reality, beat the boss, do a gesture to celebrate or use the talking potato and then get sent to your own reality again to continue your own adventure.

Also, it's my understanding that you can turn invasions off - so if you have them on, expect to be taken off your horse at any moment. If I am focused on playing solo or the story, I'll likely turn invasions off and only have them on when I'm just grinding areas - same as when you leave a summon sign. You know you can't really commit to anything like a big boss (unless you can kill it very quickly) as you can be pulled out of your game at any moment. Considering the depth of the combat system and the fact every other Tarnished ghost/summon I've seen seems to be almost entirely unique, why would you want to do pvp on the back of the same horse with only two basic limited attacks, running in circles? Seems really boring. You should look at Bannerlord game maybe if you want some mounted combat.
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ABCmouse.com 26/fev./2022 às 17:59 
Horses kind of seemed like an afterthought to me so it's understandable they removed them for multiplayer, cannot imagine it would be fun to fight a dude on a horse in pvp
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Sp3akerWolf 26/fev./2022 às 18:00 
Escrito originalmente por Mr Dil:
I agree it's a stupid game design. Why have items in the game to advance horse combat when it is removed from combat during pvp, there are dozens of spells/weapons to counter the horse npc mobs so why can't we as players be allowed to play vs another type of play style.

Fighting a mage or bow user for example is no different in my mind than someone that would use the horse in combat. That might mean I should run a spear/shield or even a crossbow side arm to play vs that style in order to counter it.

Add a bigger poise breaker or something to the players using a horse so it can knock them off easier when in pvp situations.. there are many ways that the devs could have balanced. Instead they take the easy option and simply disable it.
Well I understand why people would not want horses in pvp, it'd be a mess. I just don't understand why they remove it from coop entirely. It heavily limits you when you summon a friend in. Don't see why they can't disable the horse when an enemy player is in the match.
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Corlune 26/fev./2022 às 18:00 
If you look on Twitter, there are so many people asking for easier difficulties, FS anticipated this so horses are as close to an easy mode as you're going to get. I know because some open field bosses are made pretty trivial on horseback and having 2-3 players doing it would steamroll the game
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ABCmouse.com 26/fev./2022 às 18:00 
Escrito originalmente por JubJubJubilee:
Horses kind of seemed like an afterthought to me so it's understandable they removed them for multiplayer, cannot imagine it would be fun to fight a dude on a horse in pvp
(this is also literally why it kicks you off the horse, because you have an issue with people pointing this out, no horses in multiplayer, like you said.)
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Aphelium 26/fev./2022 às 18:01 
Escrito originalmente por Sp3akerWolf:
Escrito originalmente por Aphelium:
Your profile is 99% private as well... Not sure you can use that argument mate...
I'm dealing with morons... I'm really talking to a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ wall here.
All i see is you insulting people left and right, wich doesn't help your argument at all..
On the contrary, makes us see you as someone way too unstable to have a conversation with.
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Sp3akerWolf 26/fev./2022 às 18:01 
Escrito originalmente por Corlune:
If you look on Twitter, there are so many people asking for easier difficulties, FS anticipated this so horses are as close to an easy mode as you're going to get. I know because some open field bosses are made pretty trivial on horseback and having 2-3 players doing it would steamroll the game
I don't give a ♥♥♥♥ about an easy mode, that's not what From Software does. All i want is to be able to traverse the world at a reasonable speed when I summon someone in.
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BRYWALL 26/fev./2022 às 18:01 
Aww the kid thinks they're a comedian, The only thing funny is their clown take.
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space 26/fev./2022 às 18:03 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSsuohepbVk
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Sp3akerWolf 26/fev./2022 às 18:03 
Escrito originalmente por Infernal Kiwi:
Aww the kid thinks they're a comedian, The only thing funny is their clown take.
What's funny is how this community is so far up their own ass their noses have turned brown.
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James Bondage 26/fev./2022 às 18:03 
ITT: scrub cries about not being able to run from invasions on horseback despite Elden Ring invasions already being locked into only gank squads.
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Loot 26/fev./2022 às 18:03 
Is no one actually reading the post? He wasn't asking for horses in pvp. He said it wouldn't change anything in pvp, because you would still get kicked off your horse when you get invaded. He just wants to be able to use the horse while in co-op, not during invasions.
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space 26/fev./2022 às 18:05 
Escrito originalmente por Loot Repeat:
Is no one actually reading the post? He wasn't asking for horses in pvp. He said it wouldn't change anything in pvp, because you would still get kicked off your horse when you get invaded. He just wants to be able to use the horse while in co-op, not during invasions.
sounds reasonable

...if he hadn't thrown a temper tantrum and insulted everyone

it's not what you say, but how you say it
Última edição por space; 26/fev./2022 às 18:05
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Sp3akerWolf 26/fev./2022 às 18:06 
Escrito originalmente por space:
Escrito originalmente por Loot Repeat:
Is no one actually reading the post? He wasn't asking for horses in pvp. He said it wouldn't change anything in pvp, because you would still get kicked off your horse when you get invaded. He just wants to be able to use the horse while in co-op, not during invasions.
sounds reasonable

...if he hadn't thrown a temper tantrum and insulted everyone
BECAUSE NO ONE WAS ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ LISTENING! Loot is the first person to ACTUALLY understand what the point of the post was.
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Aphelium 26/fev./2022 às 18:08 
Escrito originalmente por Loot Repeat:
Is no one actually reading the post? He wasn't asking for horses in pvp. He said it wouldn't change anything in pvp, because you would still get kicked off your horse when you get invaded. He just wants to be able to use the horse while in co-op, not during invasions.
Yes i did read it, and i've explained how it would be a mess to implement, how it would make bosses a joke, etc. He even acknowledged that to implement the feature it would take a few months, then i told him that a few months i game developement is a lot of money.
So yes, we did read it, no, horses in multi are still not a good idea.
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ABCmouse.com 26/fev./2022 às 18:09 
Escrito originalmente por Sp3akerWolf:
Escrito originalmente por space:
sounds reasonable

...if he hadn't thrown a temper tantrum and insulted everyone
BECAUSE NO ONE WAS ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ LISTENING! Loot is the first person to ACTUALLY understand what the point of the post was.
nobody is listening because you're yelling at people who simply didn't understand lmao
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