Elden Ring is not a co-op game, no matter how much you tell yourself it is.

[Obviously Logic]

This.

The game allows the summoning of others to help with sections of the game that you find difficult. 'Abusing' this mechanic and running to summon a friend before youve even tried to do the content yourself will only make you weaker over all, and even more dependant on summoning players later on. As a general rule, if you arent dealing enough damage to a boss by yourself, you are trying the fight too soon. Some battles are actually easier to do solo or with a spirit summon that 2 other players.

Some people wont actually try and go forward in the game without another player present at ALL possible times, and others try to play the entire game as a co op, summoning the same friend over and over again to tag team every possible inch of the game. These people absolutley deserve the invasions they cry about.

If you struggle with a boss for too long, chances are you had no reason being there in the first place and id encourage you to look at your gear and levels before reaching for the furcalling finger remedy. It will harm your game in the long run in all likelyhood.

Of course people are welcome to play however makes them happiest, this is only spoken from my own experiance and is my own OPINION, before i get the crybabies commenting.
I genuinly do believe that a lot of people later on will turn round and think ''i wish i hadnt used all those summons first time around, game would have been a better experience without''.

Use them when you are absolutley sure you need a hand, when despite being levelled correctly you just lack that little bit of skill to finish off the boss. Not when you had no chance to even scratch the boss so ill just go get help. Youll gimp your own experience hard.

EDIT: Quick summary for those of you having trouble reading/understanding. Im not saying remove co op. It doesnt affect me at all how you play. This is my OPINION on how i believe over use of summoning has the potential to really negativley affect your experience of the game, especially the further you get into it. Stop getting so hurt over an opinion.

[Koios]

100% agreed.

[ZTL-Altima]

The origins of the coop system was Demon's Souls half hp mechanic. You die, then to restore corporeal form (100% HP) you would need to help someone defeat a boss. Then at corporeal form you would be vulnerable to invasions. To escape invasions, play the game with 50% HP. Impressive how early adopters playing DeS at the time praised this mechanic nonstop. It may be slushy, but yeah, niches are damn cool.

Coop mechanic was always tied to both balance and to a direct objective.

It was never intended for loitering around and do full runs.

Advantages of this system is to make coop simple and self contained for everyone to experiment and benefit from it in a seamless way.

[zab]

yes, it's not a coop game, but the problem with your post is that you assume people coop to have an easier time with the game, but most people do it to play with their friends, not because the game is too hard for them

[Professor Hugedix]

The people described by OP add value to the game and enrich the experience of a large portion of the userbase by providing risk free rune farming options for their summoned phantoms and invasion targets for red bois. What is there to complain about? It's the people treating the game as if it's a persistent party RPG and only playing with their two buddies that you should have issue with, since they won't shut up with their demands to turn the game into a hugbox and strip it of unique features.

[Montjoie Saint Denis ⚜]

From Software won't change anything.
But one day a private server will arise. So enjoy the cries, because one day you'll be alone to speak about that. And don't expect ppl to come back just for ppl like you.

[DeathRow]

Originally posted by 🐗 UnaOne:

From Software won't change anything.
But one day a private server will arise. So enjoy the cries, because one day you'll be alone to speak about that. And don't expect ppl to come back just for ppl like you.

not in your wildest dreams

[Fuzzy]

Originally posted by zab:

yes, it's not a coop game, but the problem with your post is that you assume people coop to have an easier time with the game, but most people do it to play with their friends, not because the game is too hard for them

people who dont have friends bothering them every night to play something will never understand lol.

[MrSoul]

Oooooooh so that’s why there’s coop in this coop game clearly balanced for coop

[Obviously Logic]

Originally posted by zab:

yes, it's not a coop game, but the problem with your post is that you assume people coop to have an easier time with the game, but most people do it to play with their friends, not because the game is too hard for them

I think playing this game with a friend in Discord constantly etc ultimatley takes more away from the experience than it adds. Opinion only. But directly tied in with my post thoughts

[Obviously Logic]

Originally posted by Professor Hugedix:

The people described by OP add value to the game and enrich the experience of a large portion of the userbase by providing risk free rune farming options for their summoned phantoms and invasion targets for red bois. What is there to complain about? It's the people treating the game as if it's a persistent party RPG and only playing with their two buddies that you should have issue with, since they won't shut up with their demands to turn the game into a hugbox and strip it of unique features.

There are so many of those types though in ER. Waiting at the next grace sight to be called back by their friends and then rinse and repeat for the rest of the game. What a horrible way to kill an experience like Elden Ring.

[TheSwarmLord36]

Elden Ring certainly isn't a PvP game either. Let people enjoy things. Locking out a significant feature is a problem. Nobody liked when Halo 5 didn't have split screen. Dev intentions are not sanctimonious. I've griped about this at Nintendo too. Let people play how they want. You are not more important than your audience.

[Fuzzy]

Originally posted by Obviously Logic:

Originally posted by Professor Hugedix:

The people described by OP add value to the game and enrich the experience of a large portion of the userbase by providing risk free rune farming options for their summoned phantoms and invasion targets for red bois. What is there to complain about? It's the people treating the game as if it's a persistent party RPG and only playing with their two buddies that you should have issue with, since they won't shut up with their demands to turn the game into a hugbox and strip it of unique features.

There are so many of those types though in ER. Waiting at the next grace sight to be called back by their friends and then rinse and repeat for the rest of the game. What a horrible way to kill an experience like Elden Ring.

idk, probably worse to look up build guides and walkthroughs. ide rather find secrets with a handful of friends than resort to the internet for how to's and what's meta.

[nwad]

Meanwhile, back in the land of the sane: The store page lists co-op as a feature. The game is advertised as co-op. Elden Ring is a co-op game. Denying reality is the first step to mental illness.

[Professor Hugedix]

Originally posted by Obviously Logic:

Originally posted by Professor Hugedix:

The people described by OP add value to the game and enrich the experience of a large portion of the userbase by providing risk free rune farming options for their summoned phantoms and invasion targets for red bois. What is there to complain about? It's the people treating the game as if it's a persistent party RPG and only playing with their two buddies that you should have issue with, since they won't shut up with their demands to turn the game into a hugbox and strip it of unique features.

There are so many of those types though in ER. Waiting at the next grace sight to be called back by their friends and then rinse and repeat for the rest of the game. What a horrible way to kill an experience like Elden Ring.

So invade them and kill them for killing the experience. I know I sure as hell don't progress into a new area when I have half a level's worth of runes on me, I put a sign down to get an idea of what's ahead and grind out the rest of a level.

[Shinkiro]

Originally posted by nwad:

Meanwhile, back in the land of the sane: The store page lists co-op as a feature. The game is advertised as co-op. Elden Ring is a co-op game. Denying reality is the first step to mental illness.

You can say whatever you want from your loony bin, it doesnt really matter.

By your logic ER advertises Online PvP therefore its a PvP game.

By your logic ER advertises Single Player therefore it's a SP game.

They are called FEATURES, it doesnt mean the game is designed for proper coop.. or it would be persistent.