Heavy infusion SUCKS

[YoshimitsusMixtape]

its literally better while using a str weapon to just meet the requirements to use it 2handed and infuse Keen and pump dex and you'll get almost 100 more AR. Keen is only beaten by Quality, even with weapons that have S scaling in DEX, Quality will have more scaling by almost 100 AR (nice trend)

yes, even for the Giant-Crusher. STR builds got totally boned in this game, slowest movsets and lowest damage KEKW

heres the weapons calculator i was looking at
https://eldenring.negator13.com/calculator

[Juno Brier]

No, I'm sure with 60 Str and bare minimum Dex the Giant Crusher will do more with Heavy.

[ressenmacher]

What about for stat efficiency via twohanding? In DS3, strength builds had a major advantage in that their damage, even if not as good as a dex build (sometimes with the same weapons), could be obtained with less investment.

[Vintorez]

I'm a strong man, I don't use a calculator for my weapons.
Nerd.

[Deadeye64]

Isn't Heavy bugged right now?? I coulda swore I saw that mentioned somewhere..

[grandma_moses]

You get more poise damage as well.

Not everything is balanced 1:1 with maximum AR in mind. You get to stagger more easily and to From that apparently is worth the lower AR. Not my opinion, but obviously what the game tells us.

Also, some 'good' strength weapons don't even take Ashes, so the whole point is only academical as it is true for only like half the weapons. If it's true at all, not too sure on that right now.

[♔V3RD1CT]

Don't think that will calculate anything for you properly?
There is the dex increases swing speed factor
-There is the poise factor
There is the raw dps verses raw speed dps among all weapons.
There's a lot of things to consider, prob in part bc dex does too much in this game? Maybe so imp

[RKoz¦90N]

What weapons are you using? Also, what stats and level are we talking?

edit: Poise damage? swing speed increase? Wtf are u people talking about?

[ressenmacher]

Originally posted by Yoshimitsu's Mixtape:

yes, even for the Giant-Crusher.

I just went and had a look at the tool you linked.

At +25, with 70 points of stat investment (assuming Wretch start to avoid having to deal with figuring out the rather minor effects of starting class minmaxing)

Giant-Crusher, two handed:
Heavy two handed (80 str): 947
Quality two handed (40/50 str/dex): 820

Heavy one handed (80 str): 878
Quality one handed (60/30 str/dex): 736

The strength build wins by over a hundred AR in both cases. Are you sure you didn't write mix up your numbers for which AR was which setup?

[ionkiller]

Uhh, if you dont know twohanding with any dex build does not grant much of the benefits as a heavy build (as it only increases your strength by 50%), you can test this on that calculator you sent (which I've tested with my current strength build and works)

[Codester]

Originally posted by Smokes:

Don't think that will calculate anything for you properly?
There is the dex increases swing speed factor
-There is the poise factor
There is the raw dps verses raw speed dps among all weapons.
There's a lot of things to consider, prob in part bc dex does too much in this game? Maybe so imp

Dex does not increase swing speed lol.

[ImHelping]

"But my strenght in fusions are giving me five to ten more damage than my standard ones at 26!... and 40.... clearly this gap will grow if I go for 50-60! Maybe it is because I have not upgraded enough for past D-C scaling-ah ♥♥♥♥ this was the B scaling weapon..." is a hell of a ride. When you need to reach the very end before you can declare no see the numbers are good (finally).

That said! Don't throw dex or other stats under the bus for them not giving STR as much love in a game where 99% of the colossal weapon defenders are-

A: No see it still good compared to weapons you use the entire movset of because I just spam jump attacks, with jump attack talisman, and jump attack armor.... that means it is good I'm not coping.

B: But my colossal sword has a crouch stab guys. a crouch stab!

Granted part of why I'm not excited about giving the giant crusher the time of day even if I'm a maniac often overloading myself with big swords and a large club at the same time, is not raw damage, but how lackluster "it is weak to blunt, honest!" and "No see, blunt has better flinch/anti poise, honest!" is in this game.

Like, it looks amaaaaaazing. I love it conceptually. But imagine all that effort to one hand the giant crusher only to drop down to a smaller, faster, non-strike weapon against "oops this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ is resistant to strike teehee where is your jump attack spam god now?" antics.

[♔V3RD1CT]

Originally posted by Codester:

Originally posted by Smokes:

Don't think that will calculate anything for you properly?
There is the dex increases swing speed factor
-There is the poise factor
There is the raw dps verses raw speed dps among all weapons.
There's a lot of things to consider, prob in part bc dex does too much in this game? Maybe so imp

Dex does not increase swing speed lol.

-Shrugs.- Tons of the same forum ppl said it does.

[♔V3RD1CT]

All the more reason to not believe anyone here, as they are prob most likely doing things like lying to get you to over level, and never be in the game.

[Skeleton Minion]

Originally posted by Smokes:

All the more reason to not believe anyone here, as they are prob most likely doing things like lying to get you to over level, and never be in the game.

Your level of delusion is on another plane of existence, dude.

[ImHelping]

Originally posted by Smokes:

All the more reason to not believe anyone here, as they are prob most likely doing things like lying to get you to over level, and never be in the game.

Hah! Too late, my crushing indecision on my 1st, 2nd, and 3rd runs in a souls game will inevitably do that for me when I go for 60/20-22 STR/DEX instead of settling for 50/16-18.

Can't trick someone so stupid they already did it!