why is this community so toxic

[adacome]

why the gatekeep? why many shame for one way to play? Like for real I see many instances this community said people who use magic and summons are "playing the game wrong", like wtf thats a game mechanic?

i play many games that has steeper learning curve such as dwarf fortress and paradox interactive games and their community are much MUCH better than fromsoft games

[MaryJane]

Originally posted by Hoarah Loux, Warrior:

Originally posted by Sabaithal:

"Oh you just don't understand pleb! Having everything soak up 900 hits worth of damage and kill the player in 3 hits forces you to use unconventional (cheese) strategies! Its totally more balanced, and doesn't render over half the weapons and armor you get completely useless, at all!

But I wouldn't expect you to understand that because you're a filthy casul gamer." - Slight exaggeration

Those guys would never survive DMC's Hell And Hell difficulty.

Ahh yes the weeb anime with the samurai swords. Your zoomer is showing again.

[Bagg Boy (formerly Smoke)]

Originally posted by MaryJ&ne:

Originally posted by Hoarah Loux, Warrior:

Those guys would never survive DMC's Hell And Hell difficulty.

Ahh yes the weeb anime with the samurai swords. Your zoomer is showing again. :♥♥♥♥:

Go away, Fortnite kid. The adults are speaking.

[MaryJane]

Originally posted by Hoarah Loux, Warrior:

Originally posted by MaryJ&ne:

Ahh yes the weeb anime with the samurai swords. Your zoomer is showing again.

Go away, Fortnite kid. The adults are speaking.

You know what the word hypocrite means or is that too many syllables?

[Bagg Boy (formerly Smoke)]

Originally posted by MaryJ&ne:

Originally posted by Hoarah Loux, Warrior:

Go away, Fortnite kid. The adults are speaking.

You know what the word hypocrite means or is that too many syllables? :♥♥♥♥:

Don't you have some v-bucks to buy with your mom's credit card?

[MaryJane]

Originally posted by Hoarah Loux, Warrior:

Originally posted by MaryJ&ne:

You know what the word hypocrite means or is that too many syllables?

Don't you have some v-bucks to buy with your mom's credit card?

Man you really are a child now i feel bad for picking on a kid.

[Target]

I only gate keep people asking to change the game. There is only 1 from soft, they only make a couple of games like this over a decade, and thats if we are lucky. People asking to remove invasions or add an easy mode are basically poaching an endangered species.

That being said, play the game how ever you want as long as you are not cheating, use any build, use magic summons, what ever you like. That is part of the appeal of the game that you can play it in so many different ways,

There are different kinds of gate keeping. Also the Steam forums are especially toxic, in all games, dont judge everybody based on the Steam Forums.

[Drey]

I dont care how you play the game use all the summons / glitches you want.
The thing i hate with eldenring being mainstream is all those newcomers who have never played a fromsoft game and cry for nerfs on everything because they cant handle a "hard" game and lets be real here theres not one really hard Souls game (Demonsouls Ds1-3 sekiro bloodborne) outside of lv1 challenges etc.
Radhan used to be a cool fight now he´s a pure joke. Everyone cried about him being to op. Who´s next? Firegiant for some fk reason?

Edit: also those who cry about input que. Always been like that and yet alot of ppl (newcomers) cry about it being unfair.
Mapmarkers for Questlines (i would love a log but fk those markers)
Ah and dont forget about Invaders. They already fked us by removing solo invades and yet ppl still cry about invaders when they fight them 3vs1. Outcry would be massive if ER had the DS3 System (rune arc (ember) active enables invades)

[Calsetes]

Originally posted by Target:

I only gate keep people asking to change the game. There is only 1 from soft, they only make a couple of games like this over a decade, and thats if we are lucky. People asking to remove invasions or add an easy mode are basically poaching an endangered species.

That being said, play the game how ever you want as long as you are not cheating, use any build, use magic summons, what ever you like. That is part of the appeal of the game that you can play it in so many different ways,

There are different kinds of gate keeping. Also the Steam forums are especially toxic, in all games, dont judge everybody based on the Steam Forums.

Eh, even as a fan of these games, I still sometimes try to spitball how a so-called "easy mode" could exist in them that wouldn't be detrimental to the larger community and playerbase as a whole. It basically boils down to restricting those players to co-op among themselves, no PvP, being able to regain runes after losing them (yes, even if you die on your way back, if 80% of the "pile" stayed put like, say, Darksiders 3, that would be a good step towards being more welcoming to newer players,) and restricting NG+ to non-easy modes, it'd probably work out overall.

Maybe make it an option where, upon beating the game in "easy mode," you can then import that character as a level 1 wretch / waste of skin / whatever with no gear, or with only one weapon and piece of armor or something, into a regular game for your first regular playthrough with all restrictions removed. Kind of like how some older games would say "good job beating it on easy, now try normal mode" or something. You wouldn't have any (or many) leg-ups on regular players since you're still level 1 and would need to re-grind your stats back to use whatever weapon or armor you brought with you. Possibly reset it to +0 as well, since I could easily imagine a max-level sword doing some serious imbalanced ♥♥♥♥ early-game.

People who play these games normally won't play easy mode as they're used to it. People who haven't played before might try easy mode and say hell with it, one run is good enough for them, and wouldn't have played normal mode anyway. People who wanna gank newbies can't do so in easy mode as it's impossible. I don't see any impact on the community being large or for a long period of time, but.... eh, who knows. Could probably use some tweaking to this stuff as well.

I think a lot of what Elden Ring brought to the table helped make it more accessible to people as it is. Open world means you're not stuck in the same tough-as-nails bit if you just hit it, and the horse gives you more mobility. Having a bit more of a structured story than a typical Souls game helps to keep people drawn in. Having bonfires basically "point" you to where to go next is a good thing as they're not terribly obtrusive, though being able to turn those trails off on the map might be a good idea.

[Týr'el]

Originally posted by Omega:

3/ One who devalues other’s opinions on something by claiming they’re not entitled to the opinion because they’re not qualified

I am guilty of doing the last one a lot.
So I fall in the gatekeepers category.
What a shame, not even paid for it.

Are we talking about informed judgments on gameplay topics, or on feelings that may be totally free and diverse ?

When someone forms this kind of "opinions" on the difficulty :
* "that's too easy, FS sold its soul to casulas !" => while abusing known easier builds/tactics
* "I did it on 2 tries, this is joke" => while using mimic + terra magicka + comet azur + wonderful free spells
* "that's too difficult, plz nerf !" => while ignoring the spectrum of available tools/builds/playstyles

Then I'll remind him how uneducated and biased is this "opinion".
There is definitely a huge lack of qualification to form a valid evaluation (i.e. actual testing of multiple builds, strategies, tools, levels etc)

[evil booty pirate]

ohhh just because im at this "gate" stopping everyone from passing apparently im a "gatekeeper" now

[Bill Waggoner]

Originally posted by adacome:

why the gatekeep? why many shame for one way to play? Like for real I see many instances this community said people who use magic and summons are "playing the game wrong", like wtf thats a game mechanic?

i play many games that has steeper learning curve such as dwarf fortress and paradox interactive games and their community are much MUCH better than fromsoft games

my man, why do you give a ♥♥♥♥ what anyone says/thinks? do you seek peer acceptance in your real life as well or just this just an online thing?

[RopeDrink]

Right now I'm doing a build with the Lordsworn Shortsword and Lordsworn Greatshield, because why not? Having said that out loud, there will be people who think "Well, at least it's not a bleed/katana, or [insert caster build]", and another who thinks "lul, they're using a shield. What a scrub, lel".

I don't see any reason in the world why I should care how Joe Soap plays Elden Ring, and I worry for the mental health of people who do, because it tells me there's something more going on -- unless they're just childish, or trolling, which is usually the case.

When dealing with each person's individual projections, you can't win, because you're not them, and even if you conform, people of that mindset will always find a way to try and elevate themselves over the conformed, and you'll see it in every game. Watch a stream of people doing min-itemlevel runs of old FFXIV extreme content and a bitter segment of the masses will say "Bruh, it's not 1,000% identical to how I experienced it 8 years ago" to try and dilute the accomplishment to the benefit of their ego.

So, ignore the naysayers and use your caster builds or bleed builds or whatever, summon those minions, grab the most overpowered weapon in your mind, use those cheese strats, abuse the open world, make those specialized one-shot builds (etc). After all, they are all there to be used -- and if someone says "You aren't actually playing the game if you do it X way", remind them that 'truly playing the game' would involve delving into everything it has to offer, rather than restricting yourself to my-way-or-highway nonsense.

Or something. Honestly, just do whatever you want in this 'vijya game'.

[Radipz]

I agree with OP.
They forgot that magic/mage are part of the game and mage also have advantages and disadvantages. They also said that people shouldnt play as a mage and tell them to gitgud.

Okay lets reverse their crap logic:
If they cant face mage class, they have to git gud too, that means for now they are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ bad at handling mages

[Drahknon]

Here's the thing I don't understand. If you post on this or any other forum to say that you wish the game were different from what it is, then I don't get it. What is the point? You are screaming into the void. The devs don't care.

So why? W/hy complain that the game has invasions, is "unfair" to invaders", has overpowered spell/skill x, or the boss design doesn't suit you.

W/hat is the point?

[Calsetes]

Originally posted by RopeDrink:

Right now I'm doing a build with the Lordsworn Shortsword and Lordsworn Greatshield, because why not? Having said that out loud, there will be people who think "Well, at least it's not a bleed/katana, or [insert caster build]", and another who thinks "lul, they're using a shield. What a scrub, lel".

I don't see any reason in the world why I should care how Joe Soap plays Elden Ring, and I worry for the mental health of people who do, because it tells me there's something more going on -- unless they're just childish, or trolling, which is usually the case.

When dealing with each person's individual projections, you can't win, because you're not them, and even if you conform, people of that mindset will always find a way to try and elevate themselves over the conformed, and you'll see it in every game. Watch a stream of people doing min-itemlevel runs of old FFXIV extreme content and a bitter segment of the masses will say "Bruh, it's not 1,000% identical to how I experienced it 8 years ago" to try and dilute the accomplishment to the benefit of their ego.

So, ignore the naysayers and use your caster builds or bleed builds or whatever, summon those minions, grab the most overpowered weapon in your mind, use those cheese strats, abuse the open world, make those specialized one-shot builds (etc). After all, they are all there to be used -- and if someone says "You aren't actually playing the game if you do it X way", remind them that 'truly playing the game' would involve delving into everything it has to offer, rather than restricting yourself to my-way-or-highway nonsense.

Or something. Honestly, just do whatever you want in this 'vijya game'.

For about half the game on my melee character I used the Lordsworn Greatsword (a regular, non-colossal greatsword) and the brass shield they drop. It was pretty badass to combine that with Wild Swings.