Do you feel like casters are “cheating” the PVE game?

[Applesmack]

Cause melee has it harder? I play caster and I can lazer beam at least one phase of some end game bosses like Godfrey. Really helps. However I also know bosses can close distance instantly when they focus you so it’s not like us casters are drinking coffee and pressing L1

[Tom]

Yes. The fact that someone I dont know who is entirely unrelated to me chooses to use a playstyle, one which the devs have created mechanics to support. A playstyle that I personally don't often use. Why, I don't know how to take such an egregious personal insult such as someone exercising their free will to play in a way which I would not play.

[Crim]

Originally posted by Netsa:

Originally posted by Crim:

people who think casters are running around with 40 vigor are liars lat least not until the really late game. Here's the truth if you run pure caster you need like 70 int to use all your spells/best weapon.

There's no reason casters aren't running 40 vigor. Everyone is running 40 vigor. You don't need 70 int. Moon is not a mandatory spell.

Moon might not be but comet azur is and lustat/carion scepter are mandatory weapons.
If you are going half and half from start-mid game you can't even use comet azur and your spells are doing ♥♥♥♥ damage. What makes casters strong is the ability to kill an enemy before it has a chance to even reach you. If you aren't doing that magic just sucks to play.

I mean you guys have played mage right? I personally didn't put points into vigor till damn near level 80

[Remu]

harder? try a bleed build

[A-Silly-Bun-Bun]

No its not cheating because for every boss that you can laser to death there will be another thats faster and more aggressive. Sure magic is powerful but to me its also very boring. It can be fun but the int-caster uber mage is a dull affair. Also sometimes going full caster can gimp you when it comes to learning boss behaviours or move sets.

[ace_mon0 (REAPERS)]

NO, Casters are fine...

[Netsa]

Originally posted by Crim:

comet azur is

No it isn't.

You sound like those guys that think melee is unplayable unless you're using either Bleed or Hoarfrost. "What makes casters strong is the ability to kill an enemy before it has a chance to even reach you." No it isn't. That's not what makes casters strong. You can easily win this game without using the most overpowered gear available, I don't know what you've been doing.

What makes casters strong is the fact that they're not melee. There are a LOT of encounters in this game that are made automatically easier if you don't need to be in melee range. "Not melee range" doesn't necessarily mean "5 miles away with Comet Azur." It means "outside the range in which any melee attack would hit."

If you've played both melee and caster, this is something you should already know. Unless you're playing your melee guy exactly the same way you played your caster: using only the most powerful Ash of War, combined with Mimic, and never ever learning how to dodge.

[Icy Vinyl]

Originally posted by Applesmack:

Cause melee has it harder? I play caster and I can lazer beam at least one phase of some end game bosses like Godfrey. Really helps. However I also know bosses can close distance instantly when they focus you so it’s not like us casters are drinking coffee and pressing L1

Just put on youtube "strong melee build"

[D. Flame]

Originally posted by Philogosten:

Originally posted by D. Flame:

I can kill a rock troll with magic before it every gets a chance to attack on my INT Character.. I can't do that with my pully bow on my Quality Character.

Which spell btw? because I can crack open the reg.bin and check its range

Rock Sling *3 knocks them down. Rock Sling #4 for extra damage. Run up and tap R1 a few times for the finish.

Try it from the secluded cell. Troll dies without ever getting a single attack off.

[Izlude]

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Originally posted by Philogosten:

Which spell btw? because I can crack open the reg.bin and check its range

Rock Sling *3 knocks them down. Rock Sling #4 for extra damage. Run up and tap R1 a few times for the finish.

Try it from the secluded cell. Troll dies without ever getting a single attack off.

Rock sling has terrible range. You were making it sound like your spells range was onpar with a bow but rocksling isnt even close to the range of a bow.

[Drahknon]

How is it cheating to play the game with one of the intended playstyles.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ hell, I've heard it all now.

[D. Flame]

Originally posted by Philogosten:

Originally posted by D. Flame:

Rock Sling *3 knocks them down. Rock Sling #4 for extra damage. Run up and tap R1 a few times for the finish.

Try it from the secluded cell. Troll dies without ever getting a single attack off.

Rock sling has terrible range. You were making it sound like your spells range was onpar with a bow but rocksling isnt even close to the range of a bow.

That was just your own misunderstanding.

[Cacomistle]

I think one of the cool things about the game is that there is an effective difficulty slider without having to have an explicit one.

As someone who wants to experience the basic challenges of a boss, but not bang my head against a wall 50 times before I finally beat them, I get to choose a sort of "normal difficulty" where I make sure I've got flask upgrades and decent level ups before the fight (well levels kind of just happens naturally because I explored a lot, and rykard particularly gives you stupid amounts of runes so I've felt kind overleveled after him), but don't use summons and avoid most obvious cheese tactics.

Someone who just really wants to experience the setting but doesn't have the skill to beat bosses in under 5 tries even with an overleveled build has "easy difficulty" where they can use summons or google the best cheese strategy to beat a boss (if they can't figure it out themselves).

Someone who really enjoys mainly the challenge aspect of the game and loves dying over and over again until they're so good they can perfect a boss has the option of "hard mode", where they don't level up much if at all, use basic weapons, and avoid searching for anything that could make the game easier for them.

If we declare playing anything other than "hard mode" to be cheating, the game loses a ton of its options and variety, and you start having to avoid spending runes (simply beating all the bosses leaves you kind of overleveled, at least for a "hard difficulty").

Other people enjoy playing games in different ways, but for me personally I'd rather just play a run normally with whatever seems the most fun to use, and then if I play the game again I can do some sort of challenge run then.

[EmperorVolo]

Originally posted by Applesmack:

Cause melee has it harder? I play caster and I can lazer beam at least one phase of some end game bosses like Godfrey. Really helps. However I also know bosses can close distance instantly when they focus you so it’s not like us casters are drinking coffee and pressing L1

There is no difference melee hits just as hard.

[THAC0]

Originally posted by Applesmack:

Cause melee has it harder? I play caster and I can lazer beam at least one phase of some end game bosses like Godfrey. Really helps. However I also know bosses can close distance instantly when they focus you so it’s not like us casters are drinking coffee and pressing L1

you mean coz fromsoft dosnt understand how to make properly challenging AI and instead only realy knows how to focus on melee combat only coz there games are alot shallower then peeps wanna admit?

[Mazzle Dazzle]

Honestly it doesn't really matter. You get enough flask, mimic tear doesn't even use fp, melee with even a little faith gets a Regen spell which can heal you and summons to maximum health and keep them there or you can use critical attacks to maintain infinite HP with the talisman for it. Then you have ashes of war that like magic trivialize certain encounters at range, or you can throw daggers and firebombs which scale with your stats. You have a lot of tools where you can win even without any stats. It really doesn't matter.