Wanted to make an archer

[Bybloss]

Then I realized while it was fun to "hip shot" zombies while flipping around like a ninja , it doesnt give your arrows back and each 1 arrow is 20 runes . Why can people shoot dwarf suns at each other for free and i cant even pull my stone arrow out of that zombies face . it costs 40 runes to kill a zombie worth 50 . got a solution to this ?

[orthostatic]

consensus i've seen on this particular forum is that bows suck as a main weapon in this game. they're best used tactically, separating one from many and/or killing one at a time before charging in with Cloud's Gae Bolg from FF7.

saw a note also that crossbows are awesome in PVP scenarios since you can prime them for later use. good roll-catchers, or so i'm told.

[ImHelping]

don't forget that teleporting does not refill your quiver, only stopping to sit at the grace does. So even when you can buy lots of arrows (why does the round table vendor not seem to sell regular arrows by default on that note?), that's fairly awkward.

something something "But ranged combat is overpoweeeeeerd!" *shoots fire arrow at a slime weak to fire and still does ♥♥♥♥ all damage. bonks it with a torch instead*

Originally posted by orthostatic:

consensus i've seen on this particular forum is that bows suck as a main weapon in this game. they're best used tactically, separating one from many and/or killing one at a time before charging in with Cloud's Gae Bolg from FF7.

saw a note also that crossbows are awesome in PVP scenarios since you can prime them for later use. good roll-catchers, or so i'm told.

Well they can then turn around and catch you when you need to stop and reload the thing, is another snag there.

But hey, still more off the cuff user friendly than the hand ballista "Stop to reload for three seconds after you shoot no-takebacks"... shame regular crossbows on horseback make you come to a dead stop to reload, because ??

[Angarvin]

Originally posted by Bybloss:

Then I realized while it was fun to "hip shot" zombies while flipping around like a ninja , it doesnt give your arrows back and each 1 arrow is 20 runes . Why can people shoot dwarf suns at each other for free and i cant even pull my stone arrow out of that zombies face . it costs 40 runes to kill a zombie worth 50 . got a solution to this ?

only solution to arrow economy is getting to mid-late game where you get not 50 but 500+ runes from a single enemy but even then it doesn't really work all that well since you can only carry 99 arrows which makes prolonged exploration kinda sorta not really all that viable.

[orthostatic]

Originally posted by ImHelping:

Well they can then turn around and catch you when you need to stop and reload the thing, is another snag there.

But hey, still more off the cuff user friendly than the hand ballista "Stop to reload for three seconds after you shoot no-takebacks"... shame regular crossbows on horseback make you come to a dead stop to reload, because ??

Oh for sure. The video I'm recalling was one from FightinCowboy, and the assumption was that you could roll-catch someone once with it. The unspoken bit was "if they're still alive after you catch one roll then too bad so sad..." :)

[Loligo Vulgaris]

Bows are better at higher upgrade levels, early-mid game they kinda suck.
So far best damage I'm pulling from a bow is around 700 per shot, and that's using Mighty Shot Ash.

[Raigavin]

Originally posted by Bybloss:

Then I realized while it was fun to "hip shot" zombies while flipping around like a ninja , it doesnt give your arrows back and each 1 arrow is 20 runes . Why can people shoot dwarf suns at each other for free and i cant even pull my stone arrow out of that zombies face . it costs 40 runes to kill a zombie worth 50 . got a solution to this ?

Wrong analogy, casting spells require FP.

[Frozen Dervish]

Originally posted by Extreme Boyheat:

Bows are better at higher upgrade levels, early-mid game they kinda suck.
So far best damage I'm pulling from a bow is around 700 per shot, and that's using Mighty Shot Ash.

Yup bows are resource intensive, but offer the best bang for your buck with how you can use them to cheese enemies with no added attributes besides str/dex

[ImHelping]

Also from a pure PvE standpoint. Remember that enemies are coddled if you have any thoughts about "counter snipe"

close combat with a long bow or shortbow, low flying enemies with bows can multi shot while your tracking is so ♥♥♥♥ it will miss them when they are flying slowly toward you in a straight line (or a rat crawling in a straight line at you on the rafters, etc). And stopping to manual aim snap shot over trash tracking feels really sad even when you nail a headshot or other trick shots.

*shoots fire arrow at bird carrying an explosive barrel and the bird outflies the explosion somehow*

long range combat. Even absurd ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ like the hand ballista (which lists the same effective range stat as a longbow/greatbow for some reason? maybe it scales up better on the big bows). EVEN if you put on the effective range boost talisman. Your shots seem to love to drop short before reaching enemies still in their perfect zero drop laser accurate arrow snipe range, even if they are using a normal greatbow or horned bow.

I love bows enough for utility to always carry one in my back pocket for "oh look another enemy clinging on a wall or ceiling outside of dart range, cool" tag. and my eye to roiding out endurance this time around is so I can carry a 20 ammo capacity per ammo type hand ballista for a laugh ANYWAYS. But still, yeesh.

[Deceptive Pastry]

Look up how to do the rolling ball rune farm in dragonbarrow. ~100 arrows per run. Be warned though that bows fall off late game, they have practically no scaling from stats this game.

[Dollmaker]

Yeah i tried to use Bows, and not really worth it...

I find Crossbows far better, just cause you can actually use them on one hand, and you have the Pulley one which is amazing for Status building.

But generally, range weapons suck, for starters, give them at least SOME tracking? a tiny bit, if enemies projectiles will follow me then why not ours?, buff the scaling of Bows, the fact that they are stuck at D a max upgrade is stupid, and buff dmg of Crossbows since those dont scale.

Buff the dmg, and allows us to buy Feathers, having to farm the stupid penguins to get feathers is both boring and annoying.

[ImHelping]

Originally posted by Dollmaker:

Yeah i tried to use Bows, and not really worth it...

I find Crossbows far better, just cause you can actually use them on one hand, and you have the Pulley one which is amazing for Status building.

But generally, range weapons suck, for starters, give them at least SOME tracking? a tiny bit, if enemies projectiles will follow me then why not ours?, buff the scaling of Bows, the fact that they are stuck at D a max upgrade is stupid, and buff dmg of Crossbows since those dont scale.

Buff the dmg, and allows us to buy Feathers, having to farm the stupid penguins to get feathers is both boring and annoying.

Also while I ♥♥♥♥♥ about "PvE type weaknesses... don't really feel like it?", fire arrows are always a top contender for "Did this tree themed monster just take slightly LESS damage from a fire arrow, than my regular store bought no status arrow?" antics.

alongside "Okay so they really are a little weak to fire but... still still barely worth bothering... eh ♥♥♥♥ it" *runs unto room full of little and big poison flowers to melee them*

[Dollmaker]

Originally posted by ImHelping:

Originally posted by Dollmaker:

Yeah i tried to use Bows, and not really worth it...

I find Crossbows far better, just cause you can actually use them on one hand, and you have the Pulley one which is amazing for Status building.

But generally, range weapons suck, for starters, give them at least SOME tracking? a tiny bit, if enemies projectiles will follow me then why not ours?, buff the scaling of Bows, the fact that they are stuck at D a max upgrade is stupid, and buff dmg of Crossbows since those dont scale.

Buff the dmg, and allows us to buy Feathers, having to farm the stupid penguins to get feathers is both boring and annoying.

Also while I ♥♥♥♥♥ about "PvE type weaknesses... don't really feel like it?", fire arrows are always a top contender for "Did this tree themed monster just take slightly LESS damage from a fire arrow, than my regular store bought no status arrow?" antics.

alongside "Okay so they really are a little weak to fire but... still still barely worth bothering... eh ♥♥♥♥ it" *runs unto room full of little and big poison flowers to melee them*

Could also add to buff the range of the Greatbows, why they have the same range has longbows? like why?

The whole point of those bows was the dmg and range they had, which compensated their slow speed

[Humpenstilzchen]

Don´t go with archery, you will regret it at some point. While you might be able to cheese some enemies, others will absolutely destroy you and effortlessly dodge every single arrow you shoot.

[Bybloss]

shoot 1k runes worth of arrows into a boss and he dodges them , then you die . repeat this process lets say 10 times it took to finally get that boss . that boss gave you 8k runes XD . you are 2k in the hole because you choose archery over magic . kinda seems like im gonna be hawking my elden ring for more arrows !

[Misery1ndex]

Originally posted by Potato:

Don´t go with archery, you will regret it at some point. While you might be able to cheese some enemies, others will absolutely destroy you and effortlessly dodge every single arrow you shoot.

LobosJr just started his bow only ER run today, im interested to see how easy he will make it. i'm sure he'll make a joke out of the game, consdeiing you got poison arrows, bleed arrows, scarlet rot etc.