Is there actually a Dex build?

[VILE]

Most of the cool weapons I've come across have some form of faith or intelligence or arcane build baked into them. Is there a pure dex build, are there any items that increase attack speed or run speed? Dex feels lame compared to what I've come across.

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The issue with dex is that you have neither the heavy stagger damage of strength weapons, nor the constant proccing of bleed’s % based damage and the stun that comes with it. In the late game enemies can be extremely poise heavy and tanky and a pure dex build just doesn’t bring enough to the table compared to arcane and strength. It’s still able to win the game of course, but it is pretty statistically inferior to other builds unfortunately.

The main tradeoff is that bleed weapons usually have poorer damage/scaling innately though to make up for the bleed procs. Even adding bleed scaling iirc using a weapon art lowers the scaling of other stats on the weapon. So yes, while bleed can be very effective due to the chunk damage, you'll end up doing overall less damage to bosses that are immune to it than using another type of weapons. Also a good selection of specific dex weapons have higher critical damage than other weapons, so if a boss is parryable (even if it takes multiple parries to actually open them up to a reposte/critical), you can make up for damage that way too.

That’s the thing, arcane with occult infusion loses very little damage compared to dex for much better bleed. Talking maybe 20 ar loss at best. It’s statistically better considering the bleed buildup is doubled.

[Swordgun]

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You kinda at least need to apply Bloodflame Blade to your weapons with pure Dex to get the bleed debuff. Bloodflame only requires 10 points in Arcane. Not a huge investment.

I mean, it's also possible to go a pure dex build that doesn't even touch the bleed mechanic and work perfectly fine. I feel like people are overlooking perfectly viable builds just because it doesn't fall into the small niche pool of 'completely trivializes the game just build this because its the absolute best' category.

Enemies in this game are a lot tankier. That's to balance the game with the crazy DPS you can get with different builds. Going pure dex with no extra stuff like bleed or rot procs is just gonna make you take a lot longer to kill things, and for no good reason because procs in this game are easily applied with very minimal investment.

[Saph]

The trick to making a single stat build is to use its infusion. Sharp in dex's case. Most weapons with a D/E scaling in other stats will lose that modifier entirely in favour of beefing up the one you chose.

I was having the same issue with my first character, I always main str in the Souls series and seeing all the weapons that had a B scaling at best made me sad until I got the whetstone that let me use Heavy with any ash of war.

Anything that uses sombre smithing stones has a fixed art though, so there's very little in the way of pure build weapons in that pool overall.

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Nope. Dex is honestly a support stat in this game, the only good special dex weapon is at the end of the game and it’s just a decent katana that can’t be infused.

If you are thinking of doing a dex build, do an arcane build instead with dex as it’s support stat.

I say this as someone who did his first play through as dex until I realized the math didn’t add up and respecced to arcane

Beat the entire Game with the Nagikaba first playthrough alongside some Dragon Magic.

Dex weapon works more than fine.

Dex works, but it is worse than arcane. Never said you couldn’t beat the game with it. But if you are looking for statistical advantages, dex doesn’t have it.

[Ganger]

Im going for pure melee on my first build and I have been pumping all my points into Vigor, Endurance, Strength and Dexterity using Long sword, battle axe, highland axe, morning star and halberd.

I must say, im loving the Highland axe.

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Pure dex is great with some lightning weapons. One weapon actually gives you a better lightning spear than pure faith build's lightning spear.

I really wish Lightning was good. I tried everything and it’s worse than keen which is worse than occult with arcane lol

[Swordgun]

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Pure dex is great with some lightning weapons. One weapon actually gives you a better lightning spear than pure faith build's lightning spear.

I really wish Lightning was good. I tried everything and it’s worse than keen which is worse than occult with arcane lol

occult with arcane and dex is really good

[VILE]

I mean I have two falchions with keen setup, both doing about 190 damage with a Dex modifier of about 150, my stat sheet says 384 and 371 for each weapon one is 17 the other is 16. My bow is level 16 and shows 284. I'm currently level 102 with these stats.
Vigor 47
Mind 10
Endurance 20
Strength 18
Dex 43
Intelligence 18
Faith 15
Arcane 10
If I buff with ashes warcry and flame grant Str I'm at 417 with main hand.
That is also with damage at max health and can get more with successful hits, no rune arc

[Jangkrik]

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Pure dex is great with some lightning weapons. One weapon actually gives you a better lightning spear than pure faith build's lightning spear.

I really wish Lightning was good. I tried everything and it’s worse than keen which is worse than occult with arcane lol

Not sure about early game, but Occult is good late game even if you're not using weapons like RoB or Eleonora alongside it. With high arcane, you can use Occult infusion to get good AR and good bleed buildup (only slightly lower than Blood infusion) while still having access to strong dragon incantations and low-mid level regular incantations if you choose to put some points to faith.

[Kyutaru]

Pure dex is for daggers and bows.

Oh and Falchions, Scimitars, and Curved Greatswords.

[Celltastic]

There are some cool dex weapons that only need dex to use but are usually very end game like melanias katana Bolt of Gransax and Dragon King's Cragblade

[Juno Brier]

I feel like people are saying to go Dex/Arc because a lot of good Dex weapons just so happen to have bleed.

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Nope. Dex is honestly a support stat in this game, the only good special dex weapon is at the end of the game and it’s just a decent katana that can’t be infused.

If you are thinking of doing a dex build, do an arcane build instead with dex as it’s support stat.

I say this as someone who did his first play through as dex until I realized the math didn’t add up and respecced to arcane

Beat the entire Game with the Nagikaba first playthrough alongside some Dragon Magic.

Dex weapon works more than fine.

For the last time I never said you couldn’t beat the game with what you want. Dex is statistically inferior to arcane.

[Mander]

If you want a Dex weapon I would suggest the Guardian Sword Spear: it's an halberd with an uncommon moveset. Slap blood infusion with some points in arcane and an ash of war with multiple hits (sword dance / double slash) and you’ve a very solid weapon.
Longswords / katanas… not my thing. -shrug-

[VILE]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Mander:

If you want a Dex weapon I would suggest the Guardian Sword Spear: it's an halberd with an uncommon moveset. Slap blood infusion with some points in arcane and an ash of war with multiple hits (sword dance / double slash) and you’ve a very solid weapon.
Longswords / katanas… not my thing. -shrug-

I wanted scimitars or falchions, curved swords like Drizzt do'urden, maybe I'll go cold, lol