The AI in this game is 100% input reading BS.

[Janthis]

Try it yourself. Go to the Zamor Ruins grace site, at the beginning of the Giants' Mountaintops area and fight the tall humanoid who's walking down the road just ahead. As soon as you get in melee range he will most often wait for you to attack, at which point he will either jump away or attack faster than you and interrupt you. Even if you try to dodge, most of his strikes are sweeping AoE attacks designed to catch you. And trying to chug estus... sorry, I mean crimson tear whatever is an instant attack.

Inb4 you say it's fine 'bEcAuSe ThAt'S WhAt a HuMaN EnEmY WoUlD dO" - you're sort of right. It's like fighting a human enemy with computer-like reflexes.

This philosophy is carried to most enemies and bosses in the game. And they wonder why people prefer to use ranged attacks and summons...

edit: I didn't think I would have to specify this, but this thread is not about me saying I cannot beat this guy. I'm using it as an example of a mechanic that's present throughout the game, illustrated by this conveniently isolated mob to practice on.

[Boutus]

Dude, my vagabond is pure melee and i've been painting the walls red with enemies, invaders, bosses, even gods. I use heavy armor but I have enough endurance to get it down to medium load, always go medium load, heavy load is too much even for tanky melee types like me, you just end up becoming a punch bag. I still use the same claymore I got at the start of the game, with volcano eruption and upgraded to +25.

[Bloempje]

I noticed this against a boss, the lanky at the windmill one, that he slowly walks towards you, but as soon as you press x to use your flask he throws a magic ball at you. Every single time as soon as I pressed the button. Not in a 'he saw you do it, or predicted you'd do it' but in a 'your button press is tied to his attack' kind of way.

[GrandTickler]

Terminator eredeti hozzászólása:

GrandTickler eredeti hozzászólása:

or u know.. dodge an attack and use that oportunity to heal instead. the invincibility frames when dodging feel bigger than ever, and if u hate the dark souls rolling mechanic so much theres plenty of alternatives to dodge like this mastermind demonstrates:

cmon man it is too hard to use, where is press X to win...

lol

Appel eredeti hozzászólása:

I noticed this against a boss, the lanky at the windmill one, that he slowly walks towards you, but as soon as you press x to use your flask he throws a magic ball at you. Every single time as soon as I pressed the button. Not in a 'he saw you do it, or predicted you'd do it' but in a 'your button press is tied to his attack' kind of way.

yeah crucible knight transitions into run and stab too if you try drinking at midrange

[Kashra Fall]

Malenia 100% reads inputs. Is it beatable? Yes. Is it lazy? Also yes.

[Reodhadh]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/tlpp9w/input_reading_be_like/ for those that seem to think input reading isn't happening; it is.

[Skeleton Minion]

Took you this long to notice? Lmao.

[Janthis]

WHYYYY eredeti hozzászólása:

Terminator eredeti hozzászólása:

difficulty slider you mean?

I think he means that the enemies in the game killing you two hits, being insanely hyper aggressive with input reading and moves specifically all designed to catch the player out, and having them not adhere to any sort of reality while the players defensive options mostly consist of hitting roll which has been a thing since Demons Souls is an issue.

Exactly, and because of this many people resort to summon ashes, OP weapon arts etc. It's only natural when they made melee a pain in the ass, and not in a 'fun challenge' way.

[justfaded]

There are people beating this game naked and at sl1 in like an hour. You are just not that great at the game yet.

What is with these people blaming "game design" and all sorts of other game development terms when they can't beat something???

Such weakness of character.

[Josko]

I noticed this when using bows alot, NPC invaders would perfectly dodge my arrows as soon as I fired, even with Barrage, they dodged EVERY single arrow every time. So annoying.

There is also other enemies that dodge every arrow shot like those big Lion Enemies.

So the moment to press your key to shoot the arrow, they roll or jump away and dodge it lol

100% input reading.

[GrandTickler]

Reodhadh eredeti hozzászólása:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Eldenring/comments/tlpp9w/input_reading_be_like/ for those that seem to think input reading isn't happening; it is.

nice, that also shows it can be used against them :) i would link the video where a npc killed himself because the character drank from a flask but i cant find it anymore lol

[Janthis]

justfaded eredeti hozzászólása:

There are people beating this game naked and at sl1 in like an hour. You are just not that great at the game yet.

What is with these people blaming "game design" and all sorts of other game development terms when they can't beat something???

Such weakness of character.

Chalk up another one who can't read and has no idea what the thread is about. No wonder you like this game's AI, you act like (simple) AI yourself.

[Skeleton Minion]

Johnny_B_80 eredeti hozzászólása:

justfaded eredeti hozzászólása:

There are people beating this game naked and at sl1 in like an hour. You are just not that great at the game yet.

What is with these people blaming "game design" and all sorts of other game development terms when they can't beat something???

Such weakness of character.

Chalk up another one who can't read and has no idea what the thread is about. No wonder you like this game's AI, you act like (simple) AI yourself.

Input reading is so you can't just run around the outskirts of the arena firing magic or bows at a boss to kill it without any retaliation and making sure you actually use it strategically.

[Janthis]

ROGUE AI eredeti hozzászólása:

Johnny_B_80 eredeti hozzászólása:

Chalk up another one who can't read and has no idea what the thread is about. No wonder you like this game's AI, you act like (simple) AI yourself.

Input reading is so you can't just run around the outskirts of the arena firing magic or bows at a boss to kill it without any retaliation and making sure you actually use it strategically.

Ironically, ranged attacks (including magic) and summons are still the easiest and most headache-free ways of beating most enemies.

[justfaded]

Johnny_B_80 eredeti hozzászólása:

justfaded eredeti hozzászólása:

There are people beating this game naked and at sl1 in like an hour. You are just not that great at the game yet.

What is with these people blaming "game design" and all sorts of other game development terms when they can't beat something???

Such weakness of character.

Chalk up another one who can't read and has no idea what the thread is about. No wonder you like this game's AI, you act like (simple) AI yourself.

Dude I guarantee that you would have a hard time with or without mobs reading your inputs. People acting like theyre pro gamers where they're on a knifes edge in terms of frames.

[Skeleton Minion]

Johnny_B_80 eredeti hozzászólása:

ROGUE AI eredeti hozzászólása:

Input reading is so you can't just run around the outskirts of the arena firing magic or bows at a boss to kill it without any retaliation and making sure you actually use it strategically.

Ironically, ranged attacks (including magic) and summons are still the easiest and most headache-free ways of beating most enemies.

Well, considering the context of a thread complaining about input reading for healing or ranged attacks apparently not.