An invaders frustration

[EmoRevenger]

i'm so tired, 99% of invasion the host ALT-F4.

I know the Elder Ring servers are trash and alot of DC's isn't their fault.
But call me crazy, but its an awfull coincidence when the Hosts bodyguards die, and just THEN their game decide to lose internet or crash.

My tips to fix this would be:
1. Repeat offenders should be punished with a small 30m softban from Co-op.
2. Boost the souls dropped by an invader by a huge amount + Free Arc.
3. (my most crazy one): Killing an invader can give the Host a copy of one of the invaders gear.

[Luxydoodle]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Altimely:

to be fair, 99% of invasions are the same cookie-cutter bleed build or min/maxed one trick pony that peaces out when they run out of flasks.

This. I'm always game for a rousing round of unprompted PvP but it's rendered just a pointless speed bump if the fight waiting for me is some dude with dual kitanas dodging my first attack and then tapping me once, making me explode and instantly die from bleed going off.

[DayLight1943]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Davi:

Allow people to opt out of invasions.

you can opt out and always have been able to. no summon = no invasion.

nothing wrong with wanting to play w friends and steamroll the game, but limitations are put in place to keep the game balanced and difficult.

obviously it would be absurd to let people opt out of bosses, or opt out of dying, or opt out of having to level str/dex/int/fth/arc to get good weapon damage - they are just basic game mechanics that balance the game, just like invasions.

[Acestar]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Lotus:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Altimely:

to be fair, 99% of invasions are the same cookie-cutter bleed build or min/maxed one trick pony that peaces out when they run out of flasks.

This. I'm always game for a rousing round of unprompted PvP but it's rendered just a pointless speed bump if the fight waiting for me is some dude with dual kitanas dodging my first attack and then tapping me once, making me explode and instantly die from bleed going off.

Ok and?
Literally people had no problems with invaders by 1v3 Ganking 1st 2 weeks of this game and they were feeling themselves. The moment RoB gets fixed (a noob stomper weapon) i might add, because decent player wont die easily to RoB. Coop players start crying, because they cant rush in and just r1 gank with out the possibility of getting RoB AoE Wiped.

Im curious what Invaders are even inconveniencing anyway, MAJORITY of coop runs if you happen to not get invaded, is coop people just 1-2 hitting enemies, bleed or spell spam boss while you hide behind them. Ppl find this fun?
Host/Cooperators: "dont control how people have fun"
Invaders: "nope time to give you a reality check and add abit of difficulty to your already easy run bucko"

Sounds like 50% of this community should just go and play Monster Hunter

[Caz]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von EmoRevenger:

i'm so tired, 99% of invasion the host ALT-F4.

You have dueling fingers, no? Stop invading. People don't enjoy griefers.

[Luxydoodle]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Acestar:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Lotus:

This. I'm always game for a rousing round of unprompted PvP but it's rendered just a pointless speed bump if the fight waiting for me is some dude with dual kitanas dodging my first attack and then tapping me once, making me explode and instantly die from bleed going off.

Ok and?
Literally people had no problems with invaders by 1v3 Ganking 1st 2 weeks of this game and they were feeling themselves. The moment RoB gets fixed (a noob stomper weapon) i might add, because decent player wont die easily to RoB. Coop players start crying, because they cant rush in and just r1 gank with out the possibility of getting RoB AoE Wiped.

Im curious what Invaders are even inconveniencing anyway, MAJORITY of coop runs if you happen to not get invaded, is coop people just 1-2 hitting enemies, bleed or spell spam boss while you hide behind them. Ppl find this fun?
Host/Cooperators: "dont control how people have fun"
Invaders: "nope time to give you a reality check and add abit of difficulty to your already easy run bucko"

For the most part, the intended reality check doesn't sink in. Any time my friends get invaded and die the only response I've ever heard is "lol okay, well see y'all at the nearest grace brb.". Invasion is a meaningless effort in a open world game since you're no longer truly impeding progress since progress is what you make it this time rather than a singular specific path like the past games.

[Q̴̡̼̽̒̕u̸̘̪̾͊̚͜e̴]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von EmoRevenger:

i'm so tired, 99% of invasion the host ALT-F4.

I know the Elder Ring servers are trash and alot of DC's isn't their fault.
But call me crazy, but its an awfull coincidence when the Hosts bodyguards die, and just THEN their game decide to lose internet or crash.

My tips to fix this would be:
1. Repeat offenders should be punished with a small 30m softban from Co-op.
2. Boost the souls dropped by an invader by a huge amount + Free Arc.
3. (my most crazy one): Killing an invader can give the Host a copy of one of the invaders gear.

I've never alt f4'd an invasion, but I sure have crashed out of a hell of a lot of them.

[FluffyPotato]

Considering that invaders can still get you banned or softlocked in permadeath even with EAC it's really not worth the risk. Also wasn't the RC exploit also found in Elden Ring recently?

[Schizm]

Don't bother invading its not worth it, the lack of rewards, the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ co op system, the bad pvp meta, and just the general mechanics ensure a terrible messy experience.

Not worth it. ER is simply not going to have the longevity the past games had and its a shame but it is what it is.

Mods are a pain in the ass as well because of EAC another nail in the coffin for this games longevity.

[Naewyng]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von MrDark086:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Naewyng:

Let me put it this way: how much do you care if I use cheats to spawn tanks in an Age of Empires singleplayer game?
Now how much would you care if I'd do it in multiplayer against you?

There you go.

False equivalence. Nobody is talking about invaders using cheats nor hosts though they do exist. On top of that, this ceases being a SINGLE player game when you SUMMON someone else to play. Honestly AoE is a tripe comparison to use here to begin with. Apples to oranges. If you summoned and got to the boss but the boss decided to stay out of attack range and kept summoning help infinitely would you find that enjoyable? Of course you wouldn't. You also act like a summon player isn't using a cheese build themselves as if its something that's exclusive to invaders. It isn't. Both sides use cheese builds extensively. No matter the argument invasions are still a part of the game even if the dev doesn't like how theyve changed he STILL put them in and if you want to co-op then you have to take the invasions along with it. You won't find a happy balance regardless but that doesn't necessitate making a part of the multiplayer experience completely pointless. I don't think OP is asking for much in making invasions actually worth doing for something. As it stands you need only do 3 invasions for the entire game just for a quest line. There's no covenants to speak of that give you special gear or spells for doing invasions. You aren't getting a mass of souls unless someone is actually carrying around a ton of them for some inexplicable reason. All you get is a meager amount of souls and a rune arc which it seems most don't even use unless for emergency healing

And we go back to square one, it's IMPOSSIBLE to balance invasions the way Myazaki envisioned it.
LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE

[Naewyng]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von DayLight1943:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Davi:

Allow people to opt out of invasions.

you can opt out and always have been able to. no summon = no invasion.

nothing wrong with wanting to play w friends and steamroll the game, but limitations are put in place to keep the game balanced and difficult.

obviously it would be absurd to let people opt out of bosses, or opt out of dying, or opt out of having to level str/dex/int/fth/arc to get good weapon damage - they are just basic game mechanics that balance the game, just like invasions.

Again, not according to Myazaki. That's not how he envisioned invasions and literally nowhere does he mention that he made it to "balance coop".

[EmoRevenger]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Caz:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von EmoRevenger:

i'm so tired, 99% of invasion the host ALT-F4.

You have dueling fingers, no? Stop invading. People don't enjoy griefers.

Dueling fingers..
Lets not bring that hellspace up, if you think invaders are bad wait until you get ganked by co-opers dragon breath just because you wnated to 1v1.

Invasion is way funnier just because you can get the upperhand and griefing is fun.

[LORD_BUMBLE]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von EmoRevenger:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von poppindancers:

Stop making dumb threads

So you got mad now that you realized this thread was completely different and was how to get a healthy Invasion experience and giving better rewards for the Host to keep them in the game?

So you just lashed out instead of giving your opinion?
Go troll somewhere else..

Invasions are not a healthy experience, it is exploiting toxic behavior. No one has fun being invaded by someone holding an end game boss weapon with a huge AOE. No one is having fun when they are invaded by someone who just rolls towards you doing massive AOE damage while you are engaged in a fight with trash NPCs. No one wants to spend 40 or 50 minutes trying to find the PVP player who disguised themself as a bush somewhere in the open world, preventing you from progressing the direction you want to go.

Invasions are inherently Toxic for the majority of players, and you are frustrated that they don't want to give you the satisfaction of killing them. The Irony is suffocating..

[LORD_BUMBLE]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von EmoRevenger:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Caz:

You have dueling fingers, no? Stop invading. People don't enjoy griefers.

Dueling fingers..
Lets not bring that hellspace up, if you think invaders are bad wait until you get ganked by co-opers dragon breath just because you wnated to 1v1.

Invasion is way funnier just because you can get the upperhand and griefing is fun.

You cry about other players having the upper hand and ganking in Co-op...

But you want to invade people and grief while using the upper hand...

What exactly is wrong with you? Are you self aware?

[LORD_BUMBLE]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Acestar:

Host/Cooperators: "dont control how people have fun"
Invaders: "nope time to give you a reality check and add abit of difficulty to your already easy run bucko"

Not every player is breezing through the game, they aren't scientifically examining weapon stats and only using the very best of what they find with the best build. Some players are going through for the fun of it, and want to play with friends to help. They are summoning Co-op players to help for goodness sake, they wanted HELP with an area that they aren't breezing through. Playing with other players is just more enjoyable as well, turning a lonely trek into a social encounter.

It is not 'a bit of difficulty'. Invaders are next to impossible for average players to handle. It is flat out toxic exploitative gameplay, holding end game boss weapons, there is one that literally has an enormous continuous AOE attack that can be used over and over and over again. And then they taunt. And come to these forums to cry about not being able to invade and molest players as they wish.

It is galling to witness.

[EmoRevenger]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von LORD_BUMBLE:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von EmoRevenger:

Dueling fingers..
Lets not bring that hellspace up, if you think invaders are bad wait until you get ganked by co-opers dragon breath just because you wnated to 1v1.

Invasion is way funnier just because you can get the upperhand and griefing is fun.

You cry about other players having the upper hand and ganking in Co-op...

But you want to invade people and grief while using the upper hand...

What exactly is wrong with you? Are you self aware?

A...are you for real??
Like you do understand the difference between invasion and dualsigns?

If you put down a dualsign then someone have to ACCEPT you into their world.
And then getting ganked by three people that ACCEPTED you into their world for a fight is ABSOLUTELY not the same.

I know that you have more salt than a saltmine crying all over the board but please have some kind of restraint.