Halo Infinite

Halo Infinite

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Marius 2021 年 12 月 10 日 下午 3:38
Spoiler Discussion/We're missing a game
So for anyone who finished the game, which I know is a small minority of folk here, what did you think about it?

There's a big question mark between 5 and Infinite here that I did not see addressed. We have audio logs of that time, some "flashbacks" through Cortana, and we've effectively seen the end of the Human-AI war without actually witnessing it.

That's a lot of build-up to be handled off-screen. Was this period of time put in a book? Are we expecting to see that fleshed out at all?

Also, what's with 343's insistence on adding more alien races with no background in the lore. I'm running through my own head here and I can't find a reason for it.
Dive into the lore, play the games, read some books, and you'll see they have as much material as they need to no longer add more "ancient" races.

Who the ♥♥♥♥ are the Endless, and why should I care. They're worse than the Flood? ♥♥♥♥ that nonsense. The Forerunners went extinct fighting the Flood. Whether it be through their own hands or not they were all going to die anyway.

If I were betting man, these "Endless" they're introducing will most likely be as well received as the Promethean's. At least the Promethean's had a purpose and some background to latch onto.

One last thing, I don't know if they're unwilling to do so but they must bring Mendicant Bias into the story.
Instead of this unknown alien race they are keen to bring, why not bring a psychotic Mendicant Bias in as the enemy, Why couldn't this game have just been about the human-ai war.

The game is good, but it's wasteful to the overall narrative.
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PhaserFelix_YT 2021 年 12 月 10 日 下午 3:55 
The gameplay is good, the story was "terrible" if I could put it simple.
Too much of the lore is hidden in the databases, and this is from a guy who have collected now everything (Not the skulls)

The reason why it just makes me a bit sad, is that they hide main lore in databases, important details which will make you understand. And sure, it makes you go Aaah, but it supposed to only give specific details instead. I don't like that I need to go out (not anymore) and search after databases just to understand why I am even here.
アゼム 2021 年 12 月 10 日 下午 4:01 
Yeah story is hot garbage
EliteSarge 2021 年 12 月 10 日 下午 4:04 
Considering the reception the story of 5 got, I don't blame them for going the route they did.
Precurse 2021 年 12 月 10 日 下午 4:05 
The Endless are presumed to be the Precursors, the primordial beings that ended up twisting into the Flood due to them being genocided by the Forerunners.
Precurse 2021 年 12 月 10 日 下午 4:06 
I believe this game was made in order to pull Halo out of the ♥♥♥♥ show that was 4 and 5, and tried to smooth everything over to bring back a certain order to the franchise since the last 2 games did terribly
zacharyb 2021 年 12 月 10 日 下午 4:15 
Ya I don't really care for the fact that they made an entire new alien species and then made them immune to the Halo Arrays and considered a bigger threat to the Forerunners than the Flood and were such a threat that the Forerunners locked them up, threw away the key, and removed almost everything about them that they could because they did not want them to ever be discovered or released. And now they're to be our true real threat/enemy, like what's next the Master Chief is gonna turn into Doom Guy to stop the Endless?

If they wanted to go with an ancient threat other than the flood they could've just brought back the precursors, the alien race that became the flood. If they can make up lore out of nowhere or retcon lore, there is no reason they couldn't just say oh it turns out the precursors weren't wiped out and the Forerunners had some hidden on Zeta Halo.

Though the Endless did bring up an interesting question for me and that's if they're immune to the Halo Arrays, what would happen to the Flood if they infected them? Would the Flood be able to? If they did would the Flood become resistant/immune to the Halo Arrays?
zacharyb 2021 年 12 月 10 日 下午 4:22 
引用自 Precurse
The Endless are presumed to be the Precursors, the primordial beings that ended up twisting into the Flood due to them being genocided by the Forerunners.

The audio recordings point to the Endless as being a wholly different species, found after the first Halo firing, and that was after the whole Precursor-Forerunner war and everything.
Worst Love 2021 年 12 月 10 日 下午 4:22 
I thought we were gonna take down Cortana but it happens off screen :|
zacharyb 2021 年 12 月 10 日 下午 4:24 
引用自 Blitz Cannon
I thought we were gonna take down Cortana but it happens off screen :|

Ya seems most of the interesting/important things that happen are off screen. We didn't even get any terminals or anything that showed us what happened.
アゼム 2021 年 12 月 10 日 下午 4:26 
引用自 zacharyb
引用自 Blitz Cannon
I thought we were gonna take down Cortana but it happens off screen :|

Ya seems most of the interesting/important things that happen are off screen. We didn't even get any terminals or anything that showed us what happened.
That and the whole "Guardian" thing where these hyper-advanced galaxy-policing giga-robots are just gone
Marius 2021 年 12 月 16 日 上午 9:02 
Good to see that everyone is on around the same page.

Don't get me wrong, I'm having fun with the game, and bringing the artstyle back really gave the whole thing a better feeling.

If you wanted an alien race that wasn't the Flood it would just be prudent to find a locked up Precursor instead, the only problem there is that the Precursors themselves (before turning into the Flood) were pretty pro-human.

To hop on the train about the Endless not being the Precursors, you have to look at the two words and think on the actions of the Precursors.
The Precursors were pretty keen on giving the Mantle away, meaning they felt they were about to move on to another galaxy or otherwise. Doesn't seem to coincide with a trumped up title like "endless"
The Endless seems to refer to multiples, I don't know about you but it would be shocking to see even one Precursor alive after the Forerunner-Precursor war, much less two.
Zeliard Gervik 2021 年 12 月 16 日 上午 9:08 
They need to have a *really* good idea with where they're going with this, because I don't see why they have to keep introducing species.

I mean, I thought the finale DLC would be fighting Atriox, but he presumably dies off-screen... or technically on screen thanks to the Cortana moment.

If the final DLC is about taking down the endless, and the weapon sacrifises herself to help, my eyes are going to roll back into my skull from calling it.
tyr2009 2021 年 12 月 16 日 上午 9:27 
The endless are a race of people that survived a rings firing when one of the researchers was being judged for heresy and fired installation 7 on the forerunner capital planet.

https://www.halopedia.org/Installation_07

There were ultimately experimented on and then imprisoned because the precursors/flood could use them to make the rings useless.
Marius 2021 年 12 月 16 日 上午 9:55 
引用自 tyr2009
The endless are a race of people that survived a rings firing when one of the researchers was being judged for heresy and fired installation 7 on the forerunner capital planet.

https://www.halopedia.org/Installation_07

There were ultimately experimented on and then imprisoned because the precursors/flood could use them to make the rings useless.
Thankssss /s
Like that was on there pre-infinite
Frosty 2021 年 12 月 17 日 上午 12:07 
Basically it feels like 343 felt trapped by how they ended Halo 5 and continued with their "we don't want to follow Bungie's footsteps on Halo's focus on The Flood and Forerunner (even though 343 did a rather decent job expanding that lore). This seems to have been a relatively consistent thing, given that Halo 4 & 5 progressively distance themselves from The Flood and are constantly seeking a new big bad to replace them in the Didact and The Created.

So they basically "wiped the slate" clean by handwaving away the Created, The Infinity, The Flood, Cortana, and the Precursors; ultimately leaving them the freedom to "redirect" the series to a new "existential threat" and rebuild it in their image. Basically they decided to sorta half-assedly retcon away H2-5 and reset the series how they want it.

I can't say I am particularly thrilled with that direction as I was very curious how they were going to steer the ship back on course with The Created and maybe expand on the Precusors and the Flood. That being said, Halo Infinite's story isn't horrible on it's own, it does a decent job of what it sets out to do... if it wasn't basically erasing 5 games worth of lore and plot development. : /
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