BF4 is ancient trash.

[Khronikos]

I got this game for cheap, so nothing gained or lost. I always wondered what BF4 was about. It's old that is for sure. Everything is more clunky than BF1 and BFV. BF1 is such a superior experience to me with a controller that I find this only playable with a mouse here.

It has a lot of the sighting issues that BFV does, but the guns are all over the place with recoil and muzzle blast, yet the fast TTK clearly separates a few of them with less recoil. The game was clearly designed for mouse, as controller values cannot even manipulate acceleration rates at all. It's pitiful, and the TTK is at times like a COD game. The class structure is not really all that fun or balanced, and there is too much of everything for any new player coming in clean.

I can see why some people like this. A couple of the maps are cool, it probably is more fun with premades of friends, but to me this is one of those games that needs a full remaster or something. I absolutely suck at infantry with no scope options, yet I find the leveling up to get scopes through battlepacks and whatever else to be tedious beyond belief. I am very good at BF games in general, and I am sure it will be fine if I keep on. Tanks especially are easy KDR magnets. But the on foot stuff just doesn't sell me. The animations are incredibly basic and make fighting awkward. The amount of things that can one hit kill you basically is endless, and maps are quite open outside of a few of the best ones.

Just selecting a class and toggling different weapons in this game is an ultimate chore. It takes forever, and if you are new to the game, you might as well be reading the bible. The spawn out screen sucks, the colors are muted and weird, and overall it was fun experiencing the maps for a time or two, but I think this one goes into the closet for good after a round or two through Conquest. The servers also feel pretty weird not being on officials. Hard to say, but lag is a problem at times despite the high tickrates.

Oh well I guess. The BF1 vs BF4 player bases are pretty polemic, but I am firmly in the BF1 camp. Hoping 2042 is a mixture of BFV and BF1. Not this at all. Please god no.

[Fed]

İlk olarak Khronikos tarafından gönderildi:

OMG the quote champions are back. Thanks for the advice. It didn't help much at all. I asked for advice on weapons, not an intensive interview from CNN bud.

Then why are you posting monologue after monologue if you just need "advice on weapons" that badly lmao

Here's your champion gaming advice:
Fast shooting weapons = close quarters
Slow shooting weapons = long range

If you're not a "new player to battlefield!!1" like you said in your last essay, this shouldn't be shocking

[esturias]

İlk olarak Khronikos tarafından gönderildi:

OMG the quote champions are back. Thanks for the advice. It didn't help much at all. I asked for advice on weapons, not an intensive interview from CNN bud.

He made some good points. Looks like you aren't interested in any input then.

Also, you should be glad that someone bothered to actually read and answer multiple statements you made instead of spamming "gut gud".
Given that most people are too stupid to write and talk properly these days, it's a shame to complain about people answering properly.

[Khronikos]

İlk olarak esturias tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Khronikos tarafından gönderildi:

OMG the quote champions are back. Thanks for the advice. It didn't help much at all. I asked for advice on weapons, not an intensive interview from CNN bud.

He made some good points. Looks like you aren't interested in any input then.

Also, you should be glad that someone bothered to actually read and answer multiple statements you made instead of spamming "gut gud".
Given that most people are too stupid to write and talk properly these days, it's a shame to complain about people answering properly.

80% of that was completely useless, a near diatribe. Please lol. None of that was even remotely helpful out of two of those points being made. And none of them actually helped me at all. So yeah, there is no point typing that much up when it boils down to petty, sardonic comments with a little bit of logic here and there that is mostly obvious.

I read his inputs. Nothing there gained me any knowledge of the game other than maybe the comment about 2x scopes. So yeah it was a lot of nothing. Maybe you didn't catch his git gud advice further down, but it's clearly there. So that post was mostly just ONE LARGE GIT GUD spam comment lmao. Ironic.

And as if I am in a corner with a shotgun lmao. I am literally using a shotgun running across large maps and taking bases because so far my scopes are all garbage. I haven't played much though. Will probably find some time for a few matches soon.

I don't think anyone in this thread ever offered any coherent advice on weapons or gadgets that are popular among the "elite" crowd, so it's still pretty hard to test all of this with little time to play.

[esturias]

İlk olarak Khronikos tarafından gönderildi:

And none of them actually helped me at all.

What "help" do you need? Your problem is self-made, noone can help you with that. The rest was just ranting about some mood points and some valid points.
Besides that, feel free to tell us where exactly he was wrong. As it stands now, he was pretty much right with most of what he wrote.

I don't think anyone in this thread ever offered any coherent advice on weapons or gadgets that are popular among the "elite" crowd, so it's still pretty hard to test all of this with little time to play.

You claimed to be a l33t BF player and not a statspadder, so why do you need recommendations about statspadding weapons?

[Kiloton]

İlk olarak Khronikos tarafından gönderildi:

It has a lot of the sighting issues that BFV does, but the guns are all over the place with recoil and muzzle blast, yet the fast TTK clearly separates a few of them with less recoil. The game was clearly designed for mouse, as controller values cannot even manipulate acceleration rates at all. It's pitiful, and the TTK is at times like a COD game. The class structure is not really all that fun or balanced, and there is too much of everything for any new player coming in clean.

İlk olarak esturias tarafından gönderildi:

Midrange is difficult somehow and I don't get why. I mostly use my support guy for midrange, already because changing equipment all the time is so damn annoying. And because I don't like the MGs, or at least the horrible bipods.
But whenever I try to use a 4x sight, I always fail horribly. No shot is going where I point at. Or, to be more precise - I can't even tell where my shots go.

Accuracy bloom while ADS is a much bigger factor in this game than recoil and it can easily be mistaken for broken hit reg. The longer you fire an automatic burst, the less accurate each successive shot becomes. It can to get to the point where you will miss at point blank ranges, even if your aim is 100% on target.

It's been toned down massively since BF3, but the game still makes little to no attempt to communicate this to the player. I only figured it out after shooting at the sky and watching the tracers. This mechanic always ensures that the first few hours for a newbie will be miserable, which is probably why it is absent in BFV and presumably BF2042.

İlk olarak esturias tarafından gönderildi:

I feel like I have to use a completely different aim scheme whenever using that optic. I first started with the sniper rifles (the all-class ones, no idea how they are called in English) with both 4x optic and iron sight at the side. That was really fun, even though I used the iron sights more often.

Turning on Uniform Soldier Aiming might help.

[Diro]

Game is hot garbage, let it die and the new ones replace it.

This game will always suffer from the same bs.

[Khronikos]

İlk olarak esturias tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Khronikos tarafından gönderildi:

And none of them actually helped me at all.

What "help" do you need? Your problem is self-made, noone can help you with that. The rest was just ranting about some mood points and some valid points.
Besides that, feel free to tell us where exactly he was wrong. As it stands now, he was pretty much right with most of what he wrote.

I don't think anyone in this thread ever offered any coherent advice on weapons or gadgets that are popular among the "elite" crowd, so it's still pretty hard to test all of this with little time to play.

You claimed to be a l33t BF player and not a statspadder, so why do you need recommendations about statspadding weapons?

Read the first post, genius. I have never played this game, have very little time to play this game, and know next to nothing about its maps.

At any rate, just stop posting in the thread. Good advice.

[Lt. William L. Calley]

the killer for me is the fact that I can be shooting at someone from 10m away with any gun and with the stupid amount of spread on the guns I cant hit ♥♥♥♥. but as soon as I go into any other battlefield thats newer I am at the top of leader boards. whos idea was it at EA to make weapon shoot sideways and not straight? even the DMR's suffer from this

[Khronikos]

İlk olarak Kiloton tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Khronikos tarafından gönderildi:

It has a lot of the sighting issues that BFV does, but the guns are all over the place with recoil and muzzle blast, yet the fast TTK clearly separates a few of them with less recoil. The game was clearly designed for mouse, as controller values cannot even manipulate acceleration rates at all. It's pitiful, and the TTK is at times like a COD game. The class structure is not really all that fun or balanced, and there is too much of everything for any new player coming in clean.

İlk olarak esturias tarafından gönderildi:

Midrange is difficult somehow and I don't get why. I mostly use my support guy for midrange, already because changing equipment all the time is so damn annoying. And because I don't like the MGs, or at least the horrible bipods.
But whenever I try to use a 4x sight, I always fail horribly. No shot is going where I point at. Or, to be more precise - I can't even tell where my shots go.

Accuracy bloom while ADS is a much bigger factor in this game than recoil and it can easily be mistaken for broken hit reg. The longer you fire an automatic burst, the less accurate each successive shot becomes. It can to get to the point where you will miss at point blank ranges, even if your aim is 100% on target.

It's been toned down massively since BF3, but the game still makes little to no attempt to communicate this to the player. I only figured it out after shooting at the sky and watching the tracers. This mechanic always ensures that the first few hours for a newbie will be miserable, which is probably why it is absent in BFV and presumably BF2042.

İlk olarak esturias tarafından gönderildi:

I feel like I have to use a completely different aim scheme whenever using that optic. I first started with the sniper rifles (the all-class ones, no idea how they are called in English) with both 4x optic and iron sight at the side. That was really fun, even though I used the iron sights more often.

Turning on Uniform Soldier Aiming might help.

I looked at USA, but I have never used it. On a controller remember, so it might IDK. Will have to try a few things. Definitely did not help in BF1, so I always left it off.

Good tip about the accuracy. Yeah, I definitely feel that. And the muzzle blast. It was ridiculous with just iron sights. Not saying it's bad, just I have no idea the small moves I have to make to make the guns work with a controller, and then no acceleration settings pretty much borks my accuracy anyway. But I'll keep it in mind.

[Khronikos]

İlk olarak ☭ Forrest Gump ☭ tarafından gönderildi:

the killer for me is the fact that I can be shooting at someone from 10m away with any gun and with the stupid amount of spread on the guns I cant hit ♥♥♥♥. but as soon as I go into any other battlefield thats newer I am at the top of leader boards. whos idea was it at EA to make weapon shoot sideways and not straight? even the DMR's suffer from this

Which is strange because people complain about BF1, and there is literally almost no problem with it. A few bullets might be random, but its options and shooting far outclass this if you ask me. There is just something super janky about the way BF4 is, but it may because of animations.

[Khronikos]

İlk olarak Diro tarafından gönderildi:

Game is hot garbage, let it die and the new ones replace it.

This game will always suffer from the same bs.

Yeah, I kind of just wanted to see the maps and maybe have some fun, but it's become a bit hard to do that. It's an old game, so nothing really lost here. I definitely will have little to zero time for this once 2042 comes out. I am sure some old maps will see the light of day too in their new system. Population numbers will plummet once the sale ends no doubt.

Cool game to have and mess around in if you never played it though.

[CoopaTroopa]

you are playing a game made in 2013 on pc with a controller. i am sure if you were playing console version, more controller options would be available

[Rich]

I stopped reading when I saw "controller"

[Khronikos]

İlk olarak CoopaTroopa tarafından gönderildi:

you are playing a game made in 2013 on pc with a controller. i am sure if you were playing console version, more controller options would be available

This is not true to my knowledge. They don't have those options there AFAIK, and the console versions on PS4 look and play like absolute garbage. Or I would try them.

[Khronikos]

İlk olarak rfzm ↑ tarafından gönderildi:

I stopped reading when I saw "controller"

I use a controller for everything but sniping, and I do fine in BF1 and BFV.