BF4 is ancient trash.

[Khronikos]

I got this game for cheap, so nothing gained or lost. I always wondered what BF4 was about. It's old that is for sure. Everything is more clunky than BF1 and BFV. BF1 is such a superior experience to me with a controller that I find this only playable with a mouse here.

It has a lot of the sighting issues that BFV does, but the guns are all over the place with recoil and muzzle blast, yet the fast TTK clearly separates a few of them with less recoil. The game was clearly designed for mouse, as controller values cannot even manipulate acceleration rates at all. It's pitiful, and the TTK is at times like a COD game. The class structure is not really all that fun or balanced, and there is too much of everything for any new player coming in clean.

I can see why some people like this. A couple of the maps are cool, it probably is more fun with premades of friends, but to me this is one of those games that needs a full remaster or something. I absolutely suck at infantry with no scope options, yet I find the leveling up to get scopes through battlepacks and whatever else to be tedious beyond belief. I am very good at BF games in general, and I am sure it will be fine if I keep on. Tanks especially are easy KDR magnets. But the on foot stuff just doesn't sell me. The animations are incredibly basic and make fighting awkward. The amount of things that can one hit kill you basically is endless, and maps are quite open outside of a few of the best ones.

Just selecting a class and toggling different weapons in this game is an ultimate chore. It takes forever, and if you are new to the game, you might as well be reading the bible. The spawn out screen sucks, the colors are muted and weird, and overall it was fun experiencing the maps for a time or two, but I think this one goes into the closet for good after a round or two through Conquest. The servers also feel pretty weird not being on officials. Hard to say, but lag is a problem at times despite the high tickrates.

Oh well I guess. The BF1 vs BF4 player bases are pretty polemic, but I am firmly in the BF1 camp. Hoping 2042 is a mixture of BFV and BF1. Not this at all. Please god no.

[MissNurseXochi]

Originally posted by Khronikos:

I got this game for cheap, so nothing gained or lost. I always wondered what BF4 was about. It's old that is for sure. Everything is more clunky than BF1 and BFV. BF1 is such a superior experience to me with a controller that I find this only playable with a mouse here.

It has a lot of the sighting issues that BFV does, but the guns are just all over the place. The game was clearly designed for mouse, as controller values cannot even manipulate acceleration rates at all. It's pitiful, and the TTK is at times like a COD game. The class structure is not really all that fun or balanced, and there is too much of everything for any new player coming in clean.

I can see why some people like this. A couple of the maps are cool, it probably is more fun with premades of friends, but to me this is one of those games that needs a full remaster or something. I absolutely suck at the game of course, and I find the leveling up to get scopes through battlepacks and whatever else to be tedious beyond belief.

Just selecting a class and toggling different weapons in this game is an ultimate chore. It takes forever, and if you are new to the game, you might as well be reading the bible. The spawn out screen sucks, the colors are muted and weird, and overall it was fun experiencing the maps for a time or two, but I think this one goes into the closet for good.

Oh well I guess. The BF1 vs BF4 player bases are pretty polemic, but I am firmly in the BF1 camp. Hoping 2042 is a mixture of BFV and BF1. Not this at all. Please god no.

Well you cant expect anything good from EA anymore.

[sounar]

The game is great. Clearly the game is a product of its time. if you want a good controller experience, join the console eco system. bf4 is considered one of the best. BF4 custom class system is great, its done fairly well for the amount level of customization available. BF1 while great, is very limited in the amount of weapons and customization.

[i give hatch]

Based and controllerpilled.

[Gio]

Agree you should take your controller and bring it back to bf1

[esturias]

Well. It's known for being a bad BF game, so you can stop being surprised.
But I have to agree that the issues are even worse than expected. Still fun to play for a couple of hours.

The part about the controller had me breathing a bit heavier than normal.

[Lucas]

Originally posted by MissNurseXochi:

Originally posted by Khronikos:

I got this game for cheap, so nothing gained or lost. I always wondered what BF4 was about. It's old that is for sure. Everything is more clunky than BF1 and BFV. BF1 is such a superior experience to me with a controller that I find this only playable with a mouse here.

It has a lot of the sighting issues that BFV does, but the guns are just all over the place. The game was clearly designed for mouse, as controller values cannot even manipulate acceleration rates at all. It's pitiful, and the TTK is at times like a COD game. The class structure is not really all that fun or balanced, and there is too much of everything for any new player coming in clean.

I can see why some people like this. A couple of the maps are cool, it probably is more fun with premades of friends, but to me this is one of those games that needs a full remaster or something. I absolutely suck at the game of course, and I find the leveling up to get scopes through battlepacks and whatever else to be tedious beyond belief.

Just selecting a class and toggling different weapons in this game is an ultimate chore. It takes forever, and if you are new to the game, you might as well be reading the bible. The spawn out screen sucks, the colors are muted and weird, and overall it was fun experiencing the maps for a time or two, but I think this one goes into the closet for good.

Oh well I guess. The BF1 vs BF4 player bases are pretty polemic, but I am firmly in the BF1 camp. Hoping 2042 is a mixture of BFV and BF1. Not this at all. Please god no.

Well you cant expect anything good from EA anymore.

EA is the mother company. DICE actually makes the games. It is on DICE to make bugs not exist

[ComradeDiamond]

I don't understand your reason here to why you dislike the game, The game is 8 years old at this point, How do can you even compare it to the newer tech used for the newer games? Ofcourse it will be much better in terms of movement, secondly the guns are just fine, Infact it's so far the most balanced gunplay in the history of battlefield games (the only one who can top it is bf2 imo which had almost to perfect balance in terms of gunplay), Third unlike the newer games bf4 doesn't suffer from hackers as much as bf1\5... That's a huge bonus for me

You clearly suck at the game if you say the class system is all over the place, For me all this sounds like "I suck at the game so i'm going to dump all over it", Honestly just get good man...

[Lucas]

Originally posted by ComradeDiamond:

I don't understand your reason here to why you dislike the game, The game is 8 years old at this point, How do can you even compare it to the newer tech used for the newer games? Ofcourse it will be much better in terms of movement, secondly the guns are just fine, Infact it's so far the most balanced gunplay in the history of battlefield games (the only one who can top it is bf2 imo which had almost to perfect balance in terms of gunplay), Third unlike the newer games bf4 doesn't suffer from hackers as much as bf1\5... That's a huge bonus for me

You clearly suck at the game if you say the class system is all over the place, For me all this sounds like "I suck at the game so i'm going to dump all over it", Honestly just get good man...

Yeah. You just need to know how to use class weapons
Like the MG, you apparently aren't supposed to just fire, get cover and place your BP to fire

[esturias]

Originally posted by ComradeDiamond:

I don't understand your reason here to why you dislike the game, The game is 8 years old at this point, How do can you even compare it to the newer tech used for the newer games?

Where exactly did he do that? He just mentioned that the newer games managed to do things better.

You clearly suck at the game if you say the class system is all over the place, For me all this sounds like "I suck at the game so i'm going to dump all over it", Honestly just get good man...

Oh, please. That's one of the most stupid fanboy arguments you can possibly use in any context.
If you just throw a "Git gud!" at every word of criticism, your opinion isn't worth anything.
Can you even explain what he meant with the sentence you commented on?

Originally posted by Lucas the Sharkpup:

Like the MG, you apparently aren't supposed to just fire, get cover and place your BP to fire

I don't use that at all, it's way too glitchy. It only kinda worked with a separate key, but that was too annoying to use for me.
Ironically, that feature got even worse in BF5. No idea how they managed to do that.

[Khronikos]

Some of the results here are pretty funny. I do use a mouse. Usually, I would use a controller for most guns, and use a mouse for sniping in BF1. I play on console and PC, and have no issues competing with PC players with a controller, except in games like this where the controller options are crap. You literally cannot make a controller even decent in this game with the present options.

That being said it's far away from the main problems this game has. Most people don't use the full class assembly, because it is not balanced well. As far as random solo queue gameplay, the game is borderline broken. I can still get into squads immediately with V and 1, and I have no issue cooperating. This game on the other hand is so old and archaic it's not really worth the time to make it work. Everything has a completely janky vibe to it that modern shooters outside COD don't really have. This game reminds me of COD with big maps more than any other BF I have recently played.

Let's just hope that doesn't carry over to 2042. I think the sheer number of useless things in this game just makes it very ridiculous for newer players. Like I said, sure there are tons of things, but I CAN'T EVEN GET A PROPER 2x SCOPE for a damn gun lol. I am sitting here trying to level up stuff, and the class system is so ridiculously horrible to tweak that it takes hours to get things how you want it, to understand what you have and what you don't have. I have ONE loadout per class right now lol. It's ridiculous.

Of course I look at what guns are top tier, but at this point I get basically two shotted so fast it doesn't even matter. I just need a freaking decent 2x scope for a weapon I am using, and it simply takes too long to get it when you are new let alone get it for 4 or 5 different weapons. Mouse only basically. SO I guess camp and use a mouse is the way to go here. We are talking conquest here. I am pretty decent in Deathmatch still, but that's now why I am playing.

On the other hand supporting EA AGAIN after all their ♥♥♥♥ ups also does not sound like fun.

V and 4 launched broken as hell. 1 is the only game that was competent at release in the last ten years lol. Apex their main game so to say is also broken all the time.

Yeah, just voicing some issues. I thought 4 was going to be more fun than it is.

Don't get me wrong, I will improve a bit and use a bit more of the vehicles to bump KDR, but most everything else in this game is a bit weak if you ask me. When you are constantly told that 4 is the best thing ever, well I guess expectations are pretty high.

It really is a VERY small minority of players who scream the loudest in the BF community.

[Gio]

Originally posted by Khronikos:

Some of the results here are pretty funny. I do use a mouse. Usually, I would use a controller for most guns, and use a mouse for sniping in BF1. I play on console and PC, and have no issues competing with PC players with a controller, except in games like this where the controller options are crap. You literally cannot make a controller even decent in this game with the present options.

That being said it's far away from the main problems this game has. Most people don't use the full class assembly, because it is not balanced well. As far as random solo queue gameplay, the game is borderline broken. I can still get into squads immediately with V and 1, and I have no issue cooperating. This game on the other hand is so old and archaic it's not really worth the time to make it work. Everything has a completely janky vibe to it that modern shooters outside COD don't really have. This game reminds me of COD with big maps more than any other BF I have recently played.

Let's just hope that doesn't carry over to 2042. I think the sheer number of useless things in this game just makes it very ridiculous for newer players. Like I said, sure there are tons of things, but I CAN'T EVEN GET A PROPER 2x SCOPE for a damn gun lol. I am sitting here trying to level up stuff, and the class system is so ridiculously horrible to tweak that it takes hours to get things how you want it, to understand what you have and what you don't have. I have ONE loadout per class right now lol. It's ridiculous.

Of course I look at what guns are top tier, but at this point I get basically two shotted so fast it doesn't even matter. I just need a freaking decent 2x scope for a weapon I am using, and it simply takes too long to get it when you are new let alone get it for 4 or 5 different weapons. Mouse only basically. SO I guess camp and use a mouse is the way to go here. We are talking conquest here. I am pretty decent in Deathmatch still, but that's now why I am playing.

On the other hand supporting EA AGAIN after all their ♥♥♥♥ ups also does not sound like fun.

V and 4 launched broken as hell. 1 is the only game that was competent at release in the last ten years lol. Apex their main game so to say is also broken all the time.

Yeah, just voicing some issues. I thought 4 was going to be more fun than it is.

Don't get me wrong, I will improve a bit and use a bit more of the vehicles to bump KDR, but most everything else in this game is a bit weak if you ask me. When you are constantly told that 4 is the best thing ever, well I guess expectations are pretty high.

It really is a VERY small minority of players who scream the loudest in the BF community.

i think you should try gitting gud maybe then you can find a 2x scope

[Void Cosmonaut]

Look at this!! Guy buys BF4 which was released in 2013 so EIGHT years ago for like a dollar and yet he complains coz he cant afford new game...

[PlebNC (UK)]

I don't know if you need friends to have fun.
I joined a random squad. When Recon with the Binoculars. Captured a rooftop on Siege of Shanghai and started getting locks on any enemy vehicle I could see.
With 10 minutes, the rest of the 5 man squad had all switched to Engineer and using rocket launcher to take advantage of my lock-ons, with exception of 1 who went Support, dropped an ammo box so the Engies could restock and set to mortaring anything I was marking.
Did we get best squad? No.
Did I get to watch as every tank or chopper in range suddenly had 3 rockets heading their way? Yes. It was worth it.

[Top Goy]

Originally posted by esturias:

Originally posted by ComradeDiamond:

I don't understand your reason here to why you dislike the game, The game is 8 years old at this point, How do can you even compare it to the newer tech used for the newer games?

Where exactly did he do that? He just mentioned that the newer games managed to do things better.

You clearly suck at the game if you say the class system is all over the place, For me all this sounds like "I suck at the game so i'm going to dump all over it", Honestly just get good man...

Oh, please. That's one of the most stupid fanboy arguments you can possibly use in any context.
If you just throw a "Git gud!" at every word of criticism, your opinion isn't worth anything.
Can you even explain what he meant with the sentence you commented on?

Originally posted by Lucas the Sharkpup:

Like the MG, you apparently aren't supposed to just fire, get cover and place your BP to fire

I don't use that at all, it's way too glitchy. It only kinda worked with a separate key, but that was too annoying to use for me.
Ironically, that feature got even worse in BF5. No idea how they managed to do that.

Newer games manage to do that better because they are new ffs. Also, Bf4 and Bf1 are extremely similar in the class selection thing, i know because i play both. And he said himself that he absolutely sucks at the game, so maybe he should try getting better.

[Khronikos]

Originally posted by omega cringe:

Originally posted by Khronikos:

Some of the results here are pretty funny. I do use a mouse. Usually, I would use a controller for most guns, and use a mouse for sniping in BF1. I play on console and PC, and have no issues competing with PC players with a controller, except in games like this where the controller options are crap. You literally cannot make a controller even decent in this game with the present options.

That being said it's far away from the main problems this game has. Most people don't use the full class assembly, because it is not balanced well. As far as random solo queue gameplay, the game is borderline broken. I can still get into squads immediately with V and 1, and I have no issue cooperating. This game on the other hand is so old and archaic it's not really worth the time to make it work. Everything has a completely janky vibe to it that modern shooters outside COD don't really have. This game reminds me of COD with big maps more than any other BF I have recently played.

Let's just hope that doesn't carry over to 2042. I think the sheer number of useless things in this game just makes it very ridiculous for newer players. Like I said, sure there are tons of things, but I CAN'T EVEN GET A PROPER 2x SCOPE for a damn gun lol. I am sitting here trying to level up stuff, and the class system is so ridiculously horrible to tweak that it takes hours to get things how you want it, to understand what you have and what you don't have. I have ONE loadout per class right now lol. It's ridiculous.

Of course I look at what guns are top tier, but at this point I get basically two shotted so fast it doesn't even matter. I just need a freaking decent 2x scope for a weapon I am using, and it simply takes too long to get it when you are new let alone get it for 4 or 5 different weapons. Mouse only basically. SO I guess camp and use a mouse is the way to go here. We are talking conquest here. I am pretty decent in Deathmatch still, but that's now why I am playing.

On the other hand supporting EA AGAIN after all their ♥♥♥♥ ups also does not sound like fun.

V and 4 launched broken as hell. 1 is the only game that was competent at release in the last ten years lol. Apex their main game so to say is also broken all the time.

Yeah, just voicing some issues. I thought 4 was going to be more fun than it is.

Don't get me wrong, I will improve a bit and use a bit more of the vehicles to bump KDR, but most everything else in this game is a bit weak if you ask me. When you are constantly told that 4 is the best thing ever, well I guess expectations are pretty high.

It really is a VERY small minority of players who scream the loudest in the BF community.

i think you should try gitting gud maybe then you can find a 2x scope

That's the plan, but I can't really say I care much honestly.