Mass Effect™: Andromeda Deluxe Edition

Mass Effect™: Andromeda Deluxe Edition

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N7 Kobold Jul 18, 2023 @ 6:14pm
Who's the best romance option?
And why is it Vetra?
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harken23 Mar 20 @ 8:32pm 
I agree, Suvi for sure.
harken23 Mar 20 @ 8:35pm 
Originally posted by N7_Shadow:
Originally posted by Armenek:
It's hilarious you think that character design for Suvi was under an agenda and forget that she is not atheist.

Cora - more masculine than Suvi. Lower, monotone voice. Fascinated with an all female race to the point she joined their Commandos. Only available as LI to Scott Ryder.

Suvi - prettier and more feminine than Cora. Higher, more feminine voice. Very devout Christian. Only available as LI to Sarah Ryder.

Make that make sense.

Because that's how the characters were written by the writers.

End of list.
harken23 Mar 20 @ 8:36pm 
Originally posted by bgray9054:
Originally posted by N7_Shadow:


Cora - more masculine than Suvi. Lower, monotone voice. Fascinated with an all female race to the point she joined their Commandos. Only available as LI to Scott Ryder.

Suvi - prettier and more feminine than Cora. Higher, more feminine voice. Very devout Christian. Only available as LI to Sarah Ryder.


Make that make sense.

lol ya I read the bit on Suvi and I'm like...ya that's a walking contradiction. :D Should have been straight.

Are you implying that there ARE no gay xtians, or that there SHOULD BE no gay xtians?
Originally posted by harken23:
Originally posted by bgray9054:

lol ya I read the bit on Suvi and I'm like...ya that's a walking contradiction. :D Should have been straight.

Are you implying that there ARE no gay xtians, or that there SHOULD BE no gay xtians?

A strict interpretation of the Bible would say that you aren't following the Bible, if you are Gay. That doesn't mean a Gay person couldn't see themselves as a Christian.

Most Christians aren't gay. While LGBTQIA+ are an minority in the general public, they are an extreme minority in the church. So it made no sense to do this they way they did. 100% agenda driven.

I was also somewhat amused when I came across a discussion by LGBTQ gamers who had the same opinion, and were upset that they couldn't romance Cora. Literally saying it made no sense for Suvi to be able to be romanced by Sara, but not Cora.
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harken23 Mar 24 @ 7:43pm 
Originally posted by N7_Shadow:
Originally posted by harken23:

Are you implying that there ARE no gay xtians, or that there SHOULD BE no gay xtians?

A strict interpretation of the Bible would say that you aren't following the Bible, if you are Gay. That doesn't mean a Gay person couldn't see themselves as a Christian.

Most Christians aren't gay. While LGBTQIA+ are an minority in the general public, they are an extreme minority in the church. So it made no sense to do this they way they did. 100% agenda driven.

I was also somewhat amused when I came across a discussion by LGBTQ gamers who had the same opinion, and were upset that they couldn't romance Cora. Literally saying it made no sense for Suvi to be able to be romanced by Sara, but not Cora.

So, gay people can SEE themselves as xtians, but they really aren't? What part of the Bible are they not following?

On the BG3 forums, the anti-"woke" crusaders are losing their minds that EVERYONE is a potential romance partner, and it feels like the NPCs have no agency. Here the players have agency and a sexual preference, and the anti-"woke" crusaders are losing their minds. Have you ever met an attractive woman who turned out to be gay? Welcome to the world.
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N7_Shadow Mar 24 @ 8:52pm 
Originally posted by harken23:
Originally posted by N7_Shadow:

A strict interpretation of the Bible would say that you aren't following the Bible, if you are Gay. That doesn't mean a Gay person couldn't see themselves as a Christian.

Most Christians aren't gay. While LGBTQIA+ are an minority in the general public, they are an extreme minority in the church. So it made no sense to do this they way they did. 100% agenda driven.

I was also somewhat amused when I came across a discussion by LGBTQ gamers who had the same opinion, and were upset that they couldn't romance Cora. Literally saying it made no sense for Suvi to be able to be romanced by Sara, but not Cora.

So, gay people can SEE themselves as xtians, but they really aren't? What part of the Bible are they not following?

On the BG3 forums, the anti-"woke" crusaders are losing their minds that EVERYONE is a potential romance partner, and it feels like the NPCs have no agency. Here the players have agency and a sexual preference, and the anti-"woke" crusaders are losing their minds. Have you ever met an attractive woman who turned out to be gay? Welcome to the world.

That's a whole lot of angst.

There is a passage that says that it's an abomination. I didn't write it. You choose whether to believe it, or not. Most people do. This is why I said a "strict" interpretation. Not everyone agrees. I also noted that while LGBTQIA+ are a minority in the general populace, they are very much an extremely tiny minority in the Church. I had no say over this. But, if you ask me, I say everyone is welcome in the church, regardless of their sin, as we are all guilty of one sin or another.


As to the BG3 forums. I agree that the answer is NOT to just make every romance option, effectively bisexual. I would rather see every NPC have at least two possible back stories, and the ability to be straight or gay, with an additional choice of being bi. This way, they seem more authentic. I've been all but screaming this from the rooftops...what makes video games unique in the entertainment realm, is that unlike movies, TV shows, novels, comics, etc., this entertainment medium has the unique ability to allow the consumer to tailor the experience to their own liking.

Aside from that, those in the entertainment industry need to understand that people play games, watch movies/TV shows, etc., are looking to relax and enjoy themselves. They want to ESCAPE from the real world. These producers of entertainment need to stop seeing themselves as agents of change.

Nobody consumes their content to be preached to about how the world should be. If that's what people were looking for, they would just log into a reddit, or some other discussion forum that's dedicated to politics and religion. Have you ever noticed that in pretty much every gaming discord, they have strict rules against discussing politics and religion. Now why would that be? Oh, that's right, because once again, people are looking to relax, escape from the real world, and enjoy themselves. I was literally part of a gaming organization that broke apart because they decided to allow those discussions, and a few people got into a heated conversation. 2 Conservatives and 1 Liberal. The Liberal decided to leave the Organization after the discussion/argument.

Now here's the kicker. He accused one of the Conservatives of stolen valor, and even when the guy literally showed himself being interviewed at one of those remote outposts in Afghanistan, as well as multiple pictures, and even a video of him on a mortar crew, the Liberal, who was also in Afghanistan, wouldn't apologize and stuck to his guns. He was wrong, but too prideful to admit he was wrong.

When he left, it split the Organization in two. It never recovered. There's a lesson there. Real world problems don't mix with gaming, nor does it mix with most movies/TV, especially scifi and fantasy fiction like Lord of the Rings. Yes, conflict need to be part of the story, but the majority of those who consume these genres, don't want to see Liberal talking points being pushed on them by the show/movie. If you want to see what that looks like, watch Picard season 2, episodes 3 and 4.

You also overlook the fact that any reasonable person that doesn't know anything about the game, and looking at everything about Cora and Suvi, much more often than not, would have guessed that Cora was for Sarah, and Suvi was for Scott. That was the point of my original statement on this. If you wish to, you can twist yourself into pretzels, trying to pretend this was not a calculated decision by the Devs, but critical thinkers can see that it was.
harken23 Mar 28 @ 9:14pm 
I have gay female friends who are drop dead gorgeous.

Keep your prejudices in church, god boy. 40 years ago, xtians were going insane about anyone, anywhere, EVER playing D&D. At all. Now y'all are the next generation of pearl clutchers, but you've decided D&D is okay, just that everything in the game now has to be changed to fit your narrow world view.

Get a new act. This one is tired.
Last edited by harken23; Mar 28 @ 9:21pm
Originally posted by harken23:
I have gay female friends who are drop dead gorgeous.

Keep your prejudices in church, god boy. 40 years ago, xtians were going insane about anyone, anywhere, EVER playing D&D. At all. Now y'all are the next generation of pearl clutchers, but you've decided D&D is okay, just that everything in the game now has to be changed to fit your narrow world view.

Get a new act. This one is tired.

The angst is strong here. Try to read and comprehend what's written. Thanks.
My favorite love interest? Brodi.
Originally posted by Tony:
of course the word agenda is thrown around

Some people have to much time on there hands.
Volbard Mar 29 @ 2:36pm 
Originally posted by N7_Shadow:
Nobody consumes their content to be preached to about how the world should be.

Unless it's the bible right? It only counts if it's the bible right?
N7_Shadow Mar 29 @ 2:47pm 
Originally posted by Volbard:
Originally posted by N7_Shadow:
Nobody consumes their content to be preached to about how the world should be.

Unless it's the bible right? It only counts if it's the bible right?

No, that was NOT the issue. It was a small piece. This was a pattern of decisions that led to LI options that made little to no sense. That is, unless you acknowledge the agenda, and the agenda was very plain in this game.
Volbard Mar 29 @ 4:00pm 
Originally posted by N7_Shadow:
Originally posted by Volbard:

Unless it's the bible right? It only counts if it's the bible right?

No, that was NOT the issue. It was a small piece. This was a pattern of decisions that led to LI options that made little to no sense. That is, unless you acknowledge the agenda, and the agenda was very plain in this game.

You were the one who put it out there. I'm only pointing out the contradiction, as It's pretty informative of your thinking here. There's definitely some dissonance here.

Nothing about any of the characters seemed odd or out of place to me, but I'm not religious either. If anything I'm amazed that anyone would still be spiritual at all in a universe where ancient space murder machines also exist. But I still played the game, and it didn't affect my experience whatsoever.
N7_Shadow Mar 29 @ 4:14pm 
Originally posted by Volbard:
Originally posted by N7_Shadow:

No, that was NOT the issue. It was a small piece. This was a pattern of decisions that led to LI options that made little to no sense. That is, unless you acknowledge the agenda, and the agenda was very plain in this game.

You were the one who put it out there. I'm only pointing out the contradiction, as It's pretty informative of your thinking here. There's definitely some dissonance here.

Nothing about any of the characters seemed odd or out of place to me, but I'm not religious either. If anything I'm amazed that anyone would still be spiritual at all in a universe where ancient space murder machines also exist. But I still played the game, and it didn't affect my experience whatsoever.

The dissonance is on your part. So let me educate you.

1. More masculine female, Cora. Deeper, monotone voice and square masculine jaw. Fascinated with an all female race such that she becomes on of their commandos. Only available to male Ryder as a love interest.

2. More feminine female, Suvi. More feminine voice, and more feminine face and chin. A devout Christian, as she explained to Ryder. Only available to female Ryder as a love interest.

No, this does not make sense. This is not about religion, or preaching, or anything other than it makes no sense. And as I noted, even the LGBTQ gamers felt that, and were not happy that Cora wasn't an option for them.

This was 100% agenda driven. Sticking it to the Chuds. Going against the norms.

You might have a point if I said that the norms should be preached about in the game. I did not. The dissonance is your own.
Volbard Mar 29 @ 5:03pm 
Originally posted by N7_Shadow:
The dissonance is on your part. So let me educate you.

1. More masculine female, Cora. Deeper, monotone voice and square masculine jaw. Fascinated with an all female race such that she becomes on of their commandos. Only available to male Ryder as a love interest.

2. More feminine female, Suvi. More feminine voice, and more feminine face and chin. A devout Christian, as she explained to Ryder. Only available to female Ryder as a love interest.

No, this does not make sense. This is not about religion, or preaching, or anything other than it makes no sense. And as I noted, even the LGBTQ gamers felt that, and were not happy that Cora wasn't an option for them.

This was 100% agenda driven. Sticking it to the Chuds. Going against the norms.

You might have a point if I said that the norms should be preached about in the game. I did not. The dissonance is your own.

Save your education. I already owe the federal government for the one I have. I understand how character development works. And contradictions in characters (and to an even further extent, in real life people) does exist. That's what you're seeing here. A commonly employed writing device. Thane, as an example, being a father, and deeply spiritual, is a deadly assassin. Contradiction. Garrus hates injustice, but struggles with the rules and regulations binding him to the law.

So many characters in the ME universe have horrible fathers or are horrible fathers. Must be some kind of agenda against the patriarchy! Sometimes an apple is just an apple.
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