why do we even hate green hill?

[M>E>T>A>L>S>O>N>I>C]

is it cuz forces uses it? it's the most popular sonic stage, of course they're gonna use it

[Sixtyfivekills]

We? I don't speak for "we", I speak for myself, and reason I hate it is because its overused. I want games with original stages, having a throwback every now and then is fine, but Sonic does it ALL THE TIME.

[NBOX21]

It's like Kanto in Pokemon games since Gen 6 - it literally only exists as a form of nostalgia pandering and nothing more, and also shows a lack of creativity and/or originality with the franchise.

But there are examples of doing it well:

Sonic Adventure 2 - Green Hill is unlocked after 180 emblems which was a cool reward as it was a fully 3D recreation of Green Hill Zone and actually felt special as bonus content, especially during a time before Green Hill was overused.

Sonic Generations - This should've been a one time only thing for the franchise, but the reason it works for Generations and no other game besides those listed here is because it was a game celebrating the history of the franchise up to that point.

Sonic Drift - A racing game on the Game Gear that re-used zones from past games but was mostly fine due to it being a spin-off title on an inferior handheld at the time.

I'm also fine with zones that take inspiration from Green Hill so long as they do their own thing with it like Seaside Hill from Sonic Heroes or Sunset Hill Zone from Sonic Advance 3.

[Hermit]

Nobody hates it, it's just overused because member berries.

[Like Button]

You dont see Nintendo remaking 1-1 1000 times

[Shadic]

Originally posted by PERSONA 3 SUPREMACY:

is it cuz forces uses it? it's the most popular sonic stage, of course they're gonna use it

Isn't it just in SA2, Gens, Mania, Forces? Not too bad.

[M>E>T>A>L>S>O>N>I>C]

Originally posted by Shadicluigi:

Originally posted by PERSONA 3 SUPREMACY:

is it cuz forces uses it? it's the most popular sonic stage, of course they're gonna use it

Isn't it just in SA2, Gens, Mania, Forces? Not too bad.

yeah and in sa2 it was a bonus unlockable for getting all the a ranks
gens was an anniversary title so it makes sense to have it
i legit think the only reason people don't like it was cuz we got mania and forces back to back, but mania's green hill was good and forces sucked balls lmao, cuz nobody in their right mind would complain about it before forces came out and used it 9 times

[NBOX21]

Originally posted by E Man Roast a Man:

You dont see Nintendo remaking 1-1 1000 times

No, but you do see modern Pokemon games constantly doing Kanto pandering over and over (the only exception to this is the only good Pokemon game that's ever come out in years and it's not even a main series game, that being Snap) similar to what Sonic has been doing with Green Hill lately, so...

Originally posted by PERSONA 3 SUPREMACY:

i legit think the only reason people don't like it was cuz we got mania and forces back to back, but mania's green hill was good and forces sucked balls

Honestly, I found it to be somewhat of a problem with Mania as well, but that's only because we got more zones from old games rather than fully original zones and I would've liked to see more original zones there but even then, they at least tried new ideas with Green Hill to not make it feel like a total rehash and in ways that actually enhance the gameplay as opposed to Forces having parts of Green Hill sandy that have no effect on gameplay whatsoever.

[M>E>T>A>L>S>O>N>I>C]

Originally posted by NBOX21:

Originally posted by E Man Roast a Man:

You dont see Nintendo remaking 1-1 1000 times

No, but you do see modern Pokemon games constantly doing Kanto pandering over and over (the only exception to this is the only good Pokemon game that's ever come out in years and it's not even a main series game, that being Snap) similar to what Sonic has been doing with Green Hill lately, so...

Originally posted by PERSONA 3 SUPREMACY:

i legit think the only reason people don't like it was cuz we got mania and forces back to back, but mania's green hill was good and forces sucked balls

Honestly, I found it to be somewhat of a problem with Mania as well, but that's only because we got more zones from old games rather than fully original zones and I would've liked to see more original zones there but even then, they at least tried new ideas with Green Hill to not make it feel like a total rehash and in ways that actually enhance the gameplay as opposed to Forces having parts of Green Hill sandy that have no effect on gameplay whatsoever.

so yeah forces is to blame

[Edward H.B]

I like green hill =)

[M>E>T>A>L>S>O>N>I>C]

Originally posted by vanilla:

As others here have pointed out, it's over used.
It'd be one thing if they just made Green Hill inspired levels, like Emerald Hill, Seaside Hill, Sunset Hill, etc.
But they just keep bringing back the same tropes, over and over.
It feels like SonicTeam is creatively constipated.
We also have Chemical Plant, "sky temple"(most likely Sky Sanctuary) and Rooftop Run confirmed for Cyberspace levels.
So safe to assume out of the 28 Cyberspace levels, a good chunk of the tropes will be just yanked out of Generations.
I can't speak for everyone, but for a game Iizuka is hyping up as being the next evolution of 3D Sonic, there sure seems to be a lot of piggybacking on past material.
That, along with how secretive they've been with showing off the Cyberspace levels in pre-release material gives me the impression they aren't confident in their own product.

we barely saw anything, maybe they'll do what mania did and bring in new level gimmicks or tropes

[HyperRadiant TTV]

I think its been overused as a stage in other games if they had brought other stages as a level ie angel island from sonic 3 i think people would enjoy playing them.

[Bluedul]

forces didn´t use just one time, the maniacs who made the game put it 9 LEVELS of green hill

[NBOX21]

Originally posted by SuperXTornado:

I think its been overused as a stage in other games if they had brought other stages as a level ie angel island from sonic 3 i think people would enjoy playing them.

They re-used Chemical Plant in Forces and people didn't like that either. And I don't think it would be any different for Angel Island or Sky Sanctuary, especially if they too had no good reason to be in it other than "Hey, remember this?".

What people want to see more than ever, especially these days, is brand new ideas or concepts we haven't seen before, and I know this franchise is still perfectly capable of doing so!

Originally posted by Edward H.B:

I like green hill =)

I do too, but I just don't like how they keep using it in every new game like they ran out of new ideas or only exist to remind us of the past instead of using it as a means to move on with the franchise or as just a cool bonus level for fully completing the game like in SA2.

[HyperRadiant TTV]

@NBOX21 i deffo agree with you.

[Ikagura]

Kirby and Mario fans are fine with the same green plain level...