Thoughts on P-2?

[weester9]

Honestly, wasn't a huge fan. Sisyphus Prime is really fun. I've always enjoyed parry-focused bosses in any game I play, so he was shockingly enjoyable. The Flesh Panopticon was also surprisingly fun. This might be a poor opinion, but I almost wish that you could do the whole fight outside of sandbox mode. I also adore Tenebre Rosso Sangue, and I'm learning to play it on the piano just for fun. That said, I really don't like the arenas before the fight. The first arena is just enemy spam which doesn't feel fun, and it's really hard to fight the Ferryman unless you instakill it with something like a railcoin since the virtue beams block half your screen. The double mindflayer room also just feels like enemy spam, and the mindflayers feel very tacked on. And hoo boy, the last arena. The positioning is really good with the sentries, and it was really fun to discover I could hide behind the hideous mass. Even so, four sentries still feels excessive, and the swordsmachines and ferryman beforehand feels, once again, like enemy spam. The four cerbs and three virtues feel managable but not particularly fun. Maybe I'm just bad, but I feel like there's only really one or two consistent strategies to beat each room (with the exception of the insurrectionists which are very fun and the second and third encounters which are very easy,) and that really takes away the core of Ultrakill's core combat involving variety and experimentation for me. All things considered, I think it's a fine level with an outstanding pair of bosses, but the enemies that come before it just drag the level down so much in my eyes. Idk, what do you guys think?

[<#76428a>Sharkbilby]

I'm the opposite when it comes to the gameplay. I found every single arena really needs you to actually think about how you're playing, whereas the rest of the game is pretty tame. It's hard enough to force specific playstyles without having only one solution (most of the time). Playing through the first time may not be so enjoyable, but on repeated playthroughs you get to study every weapon and how they can be used to solve the rooms. It uses enemies in ways we've never seen in the campaign before.

On the other hand, the bosses felt mediocre. The prison felt pointless and sisyphus felt simply unfair on brutal due to the randomness combined with the poor visual clarity of the destroy orbs and at launch on violence without parriable attacks.

[<#CCCCFF>sbubbies]

i like sisyphyus and i like the gauntlet sisyphus is fun and all of the arena rooms are just avg cybergrind gameplay so idk i rlly like p-2 its very fun to just run through

[BlaixenU]

i didnt read anything i'll just say that P-2 isnt one of those levels you'll probably always love after you P-rank it or anything, but you will definitely find it enjoying up until then

[weester9]

Originally posted by BlaixenU:

i didnt read anything i'll just say that P-2 isnt one of those levels you'll probably always love after you P-rank it or anything, but you will definitely find it enjoying up until then

That, uh, is actually my exact experience with the level lol. I liked it less while trying for a P-rank.

[Titan]

My problem is that the level surrounding Sisiphys feels too much like a "♥♥♥♥ You Level" for me to think it fun. Mind Flayers in tight corridors, freaking idol-ed stalkers you can't kill until finishing the rest of the room, off screen de-synched virtues firing at you while a ferryman gives you the business in a tiny room; it feels too much like the game is grinning at me like a smug git saying "Look how evil I am!"

Personally I think the boss is good. I understand what the fight wants me to do, I can follow what the big yellow man is doing a lot better than Minos's comparatively lithe frame (Honestly I think the Minos fight would be so much better if his model was slightly bigger, just so you can keep track of him better). But I feel it rather excessive to both tie a level like THAT to fighting him and P-ranking him.

[<#76428a>Sharkbilby]

Originally posted by Titan:

de-synched virtues

They can sync?

[Titan]

Originally posted by Sharkbilby:

Originally posted by Titan:

de-synched virtues

They can sync?

I dunno, I just know they're timed just right so that when one beam's finished firing another immediately starts and it is literal pain.

[Der dicke Shiba]

yeah its a nice level

[BohemianCat]

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[<#76428a>Sharkbilby]

Originally posted by GiantClams:

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mreeow~

[BohemianCat]

Originally posted by Sharkbilby:

Originally posted by GiantClams:

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mreeow~

Used that macro again I see.