V1 is cooler than doom guy (IN MY OPINION)

[Cksalzy]

I am a huge fan of doom and hve played all the games and know all the lore of Doom but i have to give V1 credit for having a cooler backstory than Doomguy. V1 is humanity's creation and surpasses all of gods creations. V1 even beat v2 multiple times and v2 is v1's successor and still couldn't beat v1. Doom guy is human, at first, and did last in hell for thousands of years by himself with no powers. impressive as that is, he could not beat hell or make it go extinct. V1 on the other hand made entire layers of hell go extinct. But do note that dooms hell and ultrakills hell are very different. My point is that doom guy became the doom slayer because of the powers given to him not from humanity. V1 by itself made far more progress with no help. Doom slayer is way stronger than v1 but v1's achievements are more impressive than doom Slayer achievements when you think of how much the odds were against v1. V1 defeated gabriel, the strongest angel that wiped out the council with no effort. V1 defeated the prime souls of both king minos and king sisyphus, who are both major threats to the council and heaven itself. This is just my personal opinion and please let me know if i got anything wrong or got my facts mixed up.

[The Official Dwayne "The Rock" J]

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Killing the prime souls isn't canon

thats not what he said

it doesnt matter if theyre canon or not, because the outcome of both versions would be the same: either v1 doesnt fight the prime souls and they never get out of their prisons, or v1 fights the prime souls, kills them, and continues their journey

[purevessel]

Publicado originalmente por The Official Dwayne "The Rock" J:

Publicado originalmente por Sharkbilby:

Killing the prime souls isn't canon

thats not what he said

it doesnt matter if theyre canon or not, because the outcome of both versions would be the same: either v1 doesnt fight the prime souls and they never get out of their prisons, or v1 fights the prime souls, kills them, and continues their journey

what? that makes no sense

[<#76428a>Sharkbilby]

Publicado originalmente por The Official Dwayne "The Rock" J:

Publicado originalmente por Sharkbilby:

Killing the prime souls isn't canon

thats not what he said

it doesnt matter if theyre canon or not, because the outcome of both versions would be the same: either v1 doesnt fight the prime souls and they never get out of their prisons, or v1 fights the prime souls, kills them, and continues their journey

Not what he said. He argued killing the prime souls makes V1 matter, but he never canonically kills the prime souls.

[purevessel]

Publicado originalmente por Sharkbilby:

Publicado originalmente por The Official Dwayne "The Rock" J:

thats not what he said

it doesnt matter if theyre canon or not, because the outcome of both versions would be the same: either v1 doesnt fight the prime souls and they never get out of their prisons, or v1 fights the prime souls, kills them, and continues their journey

Not what he said. He argued killing the prime souls makes V1 matter, but he never canonically kills the prime souls.

the prisons may not be canon either, and possibly, though i doubt so, even prime souls arent canon.

[JIIINGJING]

Publicado originalmente por PureVessel:

the prisons may not be canon either, and possibly, though i doubt so, even prime souls arent canon.

PURE, I JUST HAD A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ BLACK SQUAD DIVISION EVENT ON ANOMALOUS ACTIVITIES, I SPAWNED AS AN A BLACK SQUAD DIVISION OFFICER AND I WAS TRYING TO KILL THE SUBJECTS TERROR (NIGHT DEMON) AND RAN OUT OF HEALS SINCE THE GUY PLAYING THE SUBJECT WAS CRACKED AT THE GAME, HE DINT WANT TO EAT ME SO HE PIGSTICK ME (HEAVY ATTACK does not allow you to heal), NOT ONLY THAT, THE LAST OFFICER ON THE BLACK SQUAD DIVISION HAD TO CALL IN A SECOND REINFORCEMENT SINCE HIS WHOLE ENTIRE ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ SQUAD GOT WIPED OUT, WHICH SPAWNED ME BACK AS A REGULAR MERCENARY AND I KILLED THAT LAST SINGLE BLACK SQUAD DIVISION OFFICER, BUT LATER GOT KILLED BY THE SUBJECT WHO WAS SPAMMING HIS TERROR (ALLOWS YOU TO CHANGE FOR FORM) SINCE I SHOT HIM DIRECTLY WITH MY SHOTGUN.

THE PERSON PLAYING THE SUBJECT FOUGHT OF AN ENTIRE BLACK SQUAD DIVISION ALONG WITH A SECOND BATCH ON MERCENARY REINFORCEMENT. THE SERVER WENT WILD DUDE. this dude was CRAZY GOOD.

Sorry if it isn't related to the forum.

[purevessel]

Publicado originalmente por JIIINGJING:

Publicado originalmente por PureVessel:

the prisons may not be canon either, and possibly, though i doubt so, even prime souls arent canon.

PURE, I JUST HAD A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ BLACK SQUAD DIVISION EVENT ON ANOMALOUS ACTIVITIES, I SPAWNED AS AN A BLACK SQUAD DIVISION OFFICER AND I WAS TRYING TO KILL THE SUBJECTS TERROR (NIGHT DEMON) AND RAN OUT OF HEALS SINCE THE GUY PLAYING THE SUBJECT WAS CRACKED AT THE GAME, HE DINT WANT TO EAT ME SO HE PIGSTICK ME (HEAVY ATTACK does not allow you to heal), NOT ONLY THAT, THE LAST OFFICER ON THE BLACK SQUAD DIVISION HAD TO CALLED REINFORCEMENT SINCE HIS WHOLE ENTIRE ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ SQUAD GOT WIPED OUT, WHICH SPAWNED ME BACK AS A REGULAR MERCENARY AND I KILLED THAT LAST SINGLE BLACK SQUAD DIVISION OFFICER, BUT LATER GOT KILLED BY THE SUBJECT WHO WAS SPAMMING HIS TERROR (ALLOWS YOU TO CHANGE FOR FORM) SINCE I SHOT HIM DIRECTLY WITH MY SHOTGUN.

THE PERSON PLAYING THE SUBJECT FOUGHT OF AN ENTIRE BLACK SQUAD DIVISION ALONG WITH A SECOND BATCH ON MERCENARY REINFORCEMENT. THE SERVER WENT WILD DUDE. this dude was CRAZY GOOD.

Sorry if it isn't related to the forum.

no problem, but if you want, just send me a friend request and message me that

[The Official Dwayne "The Rock" J]

Publicado originalmente por PureVessel:

Publicado originalmente por The Official Dwayne "The Rock" J:

thats not what he said

it doesnt matter if theyre canon or not, because the outcome of both versions would be the same: either v1 doesnt fight the prime souls and they never get out of their prisons, or v1 fights the prime souls, kills them, and continues their journey

what? that makes no sense

if v1 canonically goes to the prime sanctums, the prime souls wont get out (v1 kills them)
if v1 canonically doesnt go to the prime sanctums, the prime souls wont get out (stuck eternally in the prisons)
the plot would only change if v1 canonically goes there and dies, letting the prime souls loose (which doesnt happen)

[purevessel]

Publicado originalmente por The Official Dwayne "The Rock" J:

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what? that makes no sense

if v1 canonically goes to the prime sanctums, the prime souls wont get out (v1 kills them)
if v1 canonically doesnt go to the prime sanctums, the prime souls wont get out (stuck eternally in the prisons)
the plot would only change if v1 canonically goes there and dies (which doesnt happen), letting the prime souls loose

Prime sanctums arent canon. In general. V1 or no V1. Also, i think you misunderstand, no one is saying V1 dies? I still have no idea what you are trying to prove and prove wrong.

[JIIINGJING]

You should just try it first, cuz their's quite a lot of stuff to check out in the game like quite a lot of guns, auxiliary, equipment, skill (Do technician). It's probably better than the original garry's mod game.
My loadout;
Vytax CRS-10 (Primary)
Enforcer TASG-11 (Primary)
Vytax ACAP 9.7 (Secondary)

Tactical: Technician
If gives you extra equipment and a sentry that does low damage, but it's loud, fairly accurate and can alert you of the subject's location, mainly it also just scare's a hell out of the subject.

Equipment:
Enforcer nano grenade
INVIL combat shot
Emergency flare's
Emergency flare's

Auxillitary
MTI stims (heals 30hp and you only get 2)

[<#76428a>Sharkbilby]

Publicado originalmente por JIIINGJING:

You should just try it first, cuz their's quite a lot of stuff to check out in the game like quite a lot of guns, auxiliary, equipment, skill (Do technician). It's probably better than the original garry's mod game.
My loadout;
Vytax CRS-10 (Primary)
Enforcer TASG-11 (Primary)
Vytax ACAP 9.7 (Secondary)

Tactical: Technician
If gives you extra equipment and a sentry that does low damage, but it's loud, fairly accurate and can alert you of the subject's location, mainly it also just scare's a hell out of the subject.

Equipment:
Enforcer nano grenade
INVIL combat shot
Emergency flare's
Emergency flare's

Auxillitary
MTI stims (heals 30hp and you only get 2)

What?

[purevessel]

Publicado originalmente por Sharkbilby:

Publicado originalmente por JIIINGJING:

You should just try it first, cuz their's quite a lot of stuff to check out in the game like quite a lot of guns, auxiliary, equipment, skill (Do technician). It's probably better than the original garry's mod game.
My loadout;
Vytax CRS-10 (Primary)
Enforcer TASG-11 (Primary)
Vytax ACAP 9.7 (Secondary)

Tactical: Technician
If gives you extra equipment and a sentry that does low damage, but it's loud, fairly accurate and can alert you of the subject's location, mainly it also just scare's a hell out of the subject.

Equipment:
Enforcer nano grenade
INVIL combat shot
Emergency flare's
Emergency flare's

Auxillitary
MTI stims (heals 30hp and you only get 2)

What?

Publicado originalmente por PureVessel:

Publicado originalmente por JIIINGJING:

PURE, I JUST HAD A ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ BLACK SQUAD DIVISION EVENT ON ANOMALOUS ACTIVITIES, I SPAWNED AS AN A BLACK SQUAD DIVISION OFFICER AND I WAS TRYING TO KILL THE SUBJECTS TERROR (NIGHT DEMON) AND RAN OUT OF HEALS SINCE THE GUY PLAYING THE SUBJECT WAS CRACKED AT THE GAME, HE DINT WANT TO EAT ME SO HE PIGSTICK ME (HEAVY ATTACK does not allow you to heal), NOT ONLY THAT, THE LAST OFFICER ON THE BLACK SQUAD DIVISION HAD TO CALLED REINFORCEMENT SINCE HIS WHOLE ENTIRE ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ SQUAD GOT WIPED OUT, WHICH SPAWNED ME BACK AS A REGULAR MERCENARY AND I KILLED THAT LAST SINGLE BLACK SQUAD DIVISION OFFICER, BUT LATER GOT KILLED BY THE SUBJECT WHO WAS SPAMMING HIS TERROR (ALLOWS YOU TO CHANGE FOR FORM) SINCE I SHOT HIM DIRECTLY WITH MY SHOTGUN.

THE PERSON PLAYING THE SUBJECT FOUGHT OF AN ENTIRE BLACK SQUAD DIVISION ALONG WITH A SECOND BATCH ON MERCENARY REINFORCEMENT. THE SERVER WENT WILD DUDE. this dude was CRAZY GOOD.

Sorry if it isn't related to the forum.

no problem, but if you want, just send me a friend request and message me that

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[<#76428a>Sharkbilby]

Publicado originalmente por PureVessel:

Publicado originalmente por Sharkbilby:

What?

Publicado originalmente por PureVessel:

no problem, but if you want, just send me a friend request and message me that

in response to this

Oh right, a missing quote.

[Cksalzy]

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Publicado originalmente por Cksalzy:

5. "If it wasn't for beating up GayBriel, V1 would be completely irrelevant." This makes no sense, as both the prime souls of king minos and systhus are far stronger than Gabriel and V1 destroys all of them only for the reward that is fresh blood. V1 is very relevant before he meets gabriel. Gabriel went to fight V1 because V1's presence in hell was a threat to the council of angels and hell itself. V1 was always relevant in ultrakill. Gabreil is also a huge threat to everything in ultrakill because hes the strongest angel and easily kills the council of angels along with destroying the greed insurrection by himself.

Killing the prime souls isn't canon btw. Just a fun gameplay extra for 100%ing certain parts of the game.

if its in the game its canon. straight up lying for no reason. Theres nothing saying it isnt canon.

[Cksalzy]

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Publicado originalmente por Cksalzy:

1. Doom guy is not cringe
2. You misunderstood my point about V1, I know V1 exists because of humanity but he went through hell by himself with no help. The terminals don't directly help him in any way. All the terminals do is give information and you can beat ultrakill without using the terminals. The terminals giving you weapon variants that cost points is to the terminals benefit because they are bored and you can beat ultrakill with no weapon variants.
3. Hell spawning in enemies for him to kill is for hells entertainment not to V1's benefit.
4.Before the second fight with gabriel, he literally says limbo and lust are extinct because of you. No other machine in hell can do this, V2 isnt strong enough and is only hunting you.
5. "If it wasn't for beating up GayBriel, V1 would be completely irrelevant." This makes no sense, as both the prime souls of king minos and systhus are far stronger than Gabriel and V1 destroys all of them only for the reward that is fresh blood. V1 is very relevant before he meets gabriel. Gabriel went to fight V1 because V1's presence in hell was a threat to the council of angels and hell itself. V1 was always relevant in ultrakill. Gabreil is also a huge threat to everything in ultrakill because hes the strongest angel and easily kills the council of angels along with destroying the greed insurrection by himself.
6. His existence was because of humanity but his tools and weapons are from V1 taking it forcfully from a dead enemy or the weapon is lying around for anyone else to take.
7. i call V1 him because i see V1 as a him, its fine if you dont and this point doesnt matter at all.
8. Him beating V2 is very important as V2 is stronger and faster than V1 canonically but V1's wartime experience and experimental plating that lets V1 regenerate from blood makes the V2 fight "easy". V2 isnt noticed by Gabriel in hell because he sees you as the bigger threat and V2's only goal is to kill V1.
9.V2 is far from weak. V2 dies in seconds if you have all weapons and have mastered the game but a new player with only the pistol, shotgun, and minigun struggles with the V2 fight.
10. Next time do your research before spewing nonsense

4. Not only because of you. You opened the gates, but it was the other machines that finished them off.
5. No, V1 isnt special. Gabriel at first didnt even know who you are, he probably went there to stop the machines in general.
Furthermore, gabriel wasnt alone. Also, the counci is most probably be weak because they dont fight, they dont even have weapons, and dont seem to know "heaven magic". They would probably be weaker than a virtue.
8. V2 isnt the upgraded model. V2 is the peacetime model. V2 cant heal but is tougher. He isnt faster, probably slower, and with a less aggressive AI. V2 didnt really care about you either, he only wanted revenge after you beat him.
9.1 so you do admit V1 isnt that strong?
9.2 gameplay isnt the lore.

1. Theres no other machine in hell that does the destruction that V1 does and Gabriel never mentions other machines doing this much damage.
2. V1 IS SPECIAL and is the only one of its kind. V2 was hunting you down specifically and was waiting for you.
3. i never said V1 wasnt strong
4. Gameplay is the lore. Stupid point.

[BohemianCat]

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Killing the prime souls isn't canon btw. Just a fun gameplay extra for 100%ing certain parts of the game.

if its in the game its canon. straight up lying for no reason. Theres nothing saying it isnt canon.

I think in the main story V1 doesn't kill the prime souls, but the fights prove V1 is capable of killing one though.