V1 is cooler than doom guy (IN MY OPINION)

[Cksalzy]

I am a huge fan of doom and hve played all the games and know all the lore of Doom but i have to give V1 credit for having a cooler backstory than Doomguy. V1 is humanity's creation and surpasses all of gods creations. V1 even beat v2 multiple times and v2 is v1's successor and still couldn't beat v1. Doom guy is human, at first, and did last in hell for thousands of years by himself with no powers. impressive as that is, he could not beat hell or make it go extinct. V1 on the other hand made entire layers of hell go extinct. But do note that dooms hell and ultrakills hell are very different. My point is that doom guy became the doom slayer because of the powers given to him not from humanity. V1 by itself made far more progress with no help. Doom slayer is way stronger than v1 but v1's achievements are more impressive than doom Slayer achievements when you think of how much the odds were against v1. V1 defeated gabriel, the strongest angel that wiped out the council with no effort. V1 defeated the prime souls of both king minos and king sisyphus, who are both major threats to the council and heaven itself. This is just my personal opinion and please let me know if i got anything wrong or got my facts mixed up.

[<#76428a>Sharkbilby]

V1 is just a machine. V2 is a carbon copy of this machine with possibly the least personality ever seen in a video game.

I just struggle to find V1 interesting in any way besides what they do...which is what you find interesting, I suppose we just have different tastes.

[JIIINGJING]

Sisyphus said he will destroy all of heaven, not only that, minos prime is also stronger than gabriel, also the fact sisyphus is actually SIGNIFICANTLY stronger than minos considering he broke the flesh penopticon without much effort, which is much MUCH stronger than the flesh prison, this means that gabriel legit had 0 chances against V1. :p

[JIIINGJING]

Originally posted by Sharkbilby:

V1 is just a machine. V2 is a carbon copy of this machine with possibly the least personality ever seen in a video game.

I just struggle to find V1 interesting in any way besides what they do...which is what you find interesting, I suppose we just have different tastes.

V1 has a sick-ass design :D

[Cksalzy]

Originally posted by Sharkbilby:

V1 is just a machine. V2 is a carbon copy of this machine with possibly the least personality ever seen in a video game.

I just struggle to find V1 interesting in any way besides what they do...which is what you find interesting, I suppose we just have different tastes.

V1 itself has no personality but its meaning and actions make the character fascinating for me. V1 is humanity best creation that outskilled all of gods creations, including hell. That is what makes V1 interesting

[mr.dumby]

Originally posted by Cksalzy:

Originally posted by Sharkbilby:

V1 is just a machine. V2 is a carbon copy of this machine with possibly the least personality ever seen in a video game.

I just struggle to find V1 interesting in any way besides what they do...which is what you find interesting, I suppose we just have different tastes.

V1 itself has no personality but its meaning and actions make the character fascinating for me. V1 is humanity best creation that outskilled all of gods creations, including hell. That is what makes V1 interesting

To me v1 represents the collective will power, and blood lust of humanity. A child of man that was built to serve the only purpose that man excelled at.

[Cocyx The Gay Skeleton]

theyre both pretty hot but v1 has the advantage of not being a stinky human vs a guy in a combat suit that u have to pretend isn't human. kinda funny how he turned into master chief even though everyone has seen his face in the original doom games on the HUD

[<#76428a>Sharkbilby]

Originally posted by Cocyx The Gay Skeleton:

theyre both pretty hot but v1 has the advantage of not being a stinky human vs a guy in a combat suit that u have to pretend isn't human. kinda funny how he turned into master chief even though everyone has seen his face in the original doom games on the HUD

That and V1 doesn't have a vocal fried voice that makes me cringe every time I hear it in tag2 and eternal

[Cocyx The Gay Skeleton]

Originally posted by Sharkbilby:

Originally posted by Cocyx The Gay Skeleton:

theyre both pretty hot but v1 has the advantage of not being a stinky human vs a guy in a combat suit that u have to pretend isn't human. kinda funny how he turned into master chief even though everyone has seen his face in the original doom games on the HUD

That and V1 doesn't have a vocal fried voice that makes me cringe every time I hear it in tag2 and eternal

i like to imagine v1's canon voice is actually a bunch of cute emotive beeps and boops like u hear v2 make. the microsoft sam voice is only in his head when he "dies"

[Arc]

Doomguy is cringe as ****. They took my boy, the actual doom guy, a regular marine scrounging resources to get through hell, relying on his weapons because he was still fundamentally human, then turned him into a DC super hero immortal "bad ass" seemingly based on a joke comic from decades ago. Completely ruined the series lore.
He's only strong because of alien steroids , too, so he actually fails at being "badass" if you play the games, but most people who hype him up either didn't do that and just want to fit in or did and legitimately don't understand this even though its spelled out explicitly.

Also your argument is stupid. V1 was... made by humanity. How is his fundamental existence relying on an outside source "not help"? He literally wouldn't be a thing without them, far more than what ZoomZoomGuy has going on. The hell terminals also help him with weapons and Hell itself constantly spawns in guys for him to kill for blood. He's also not killing entire layers of hell solo; he's killing tiny portions of Hell and we know other machines are elsewhere also doing this. If it wasn't for beating up GayBriel, V1 would be completely irrelevant. Every facet of his existence from his onset, his journey, his tools and even his relevance are 100% reliant on other people. Even calling him "him" is based on humans having males and it being convinient. He's actually an "it".
Him beating V2 doesn't mean crap also. V2 is weak as hell, he dies in actual seconds. Nothing ever implies or states V2 to be a big deal.

[Cksalzy]

Originally posted by Arc:

Doomguy is cringe as ****. They took my boy, the actual doom guy, a regular marine scrounging resources to get through hell, relying on his weapons because he was still fundamentally human, then turned him into a DC super hero immortal "bad ass" seemingly based on a joke comic from decades ago. Completely ruined the series lore.
He's only strong because of alien steroids , too, so he actually fails at being "badass" if you play the games, but most people who hype him up either didn't do that and just want to fit in or did and legitimately don't understand this even though its spelled out explicitly.

Also your argument is stupid. V1 was... made by humanity. How is his fundamental existence relying on an outside source "not help"? He literally wouldn't be a thing without them, far more than what ZoomZoomGuy has going on. The hell terminals also help him with weapons and Hell itself constantly spawns in guys for him to kill for blood. He's also not killing entire layers of hell solo; he's killing tiny portions of Hell and we know other machines are elsewhere also doing this. If it wasn't for beating up GayBriel, V1 would be completely irrelevant. Every facet of his existence from his onset, his journey, his tools and even his relevance are 100% reliant on other people. Even calling him "him" is based on humans having males and it being convinient. He's actually an "it".
Him beating V2 doesn't mean crap also. V2 is weak as hell, he dies in actual seconds. Nothing ever implies or states V2 to be a big deal.

1. Doom guy is not cringe
2. You misunderstood my point about V1, I know V1 exists because of humanity but he went through hell by himself with no help. The terminals don't directly help him in any way. All the terminals do is give information and you can beat ultrakill without using the terminals. The terminals giving you weapon variants that cost points is to the terminals benefit because they are bored and you can beat ultrakill with no weapon variants.
3. Hell spawning in enemies for him to kill is for hells entertainment not to V1's benefit.
4.Before the second fight with gabriel, he literally says limbo and lust are extinct because of you. No other machine in hell can do this, V2 isnt strong enough and is only hunting you.
5. "If it wasn't for beating up GayBriel, V1 would be completely irrelevant." This makes no sense, as both the prime souls of king minos and systhus are far stronger than Gabriel and V1 destroys all of them only for the reward that is fresh blood. V1 is very relevant before he meets gabriel. Gabriel went to fight V1 because V1's presence in hell was a threat to the council of angels and hell itself. V1 was always relevant in ultrakill. Gabreil is also a huge threat to everything in ultrakill because hes the strongest angel and easily kills the council of angels along with destroying the greed insurrection by himself.
6. His existence was because of humanity but his tools and weapons are from V1 taking it forcfully from a dead enemy or the weapon is lying around for anyone else to take.
7. i call V1 him because i see V1 as a him, its fine if you dont and this point doesnt matter at all.
8. Him beating V2 is very important as V2 is stronger and faster than V1 canonically but V1's wartime experience and experimental plating that lets V1 regenerate from blood makes the V2 fight "easy". V2 isnt noticed by Gabriel in hell because he sees you as the bigger threat and V2's only goal is to kill V1.
9.V2 is far from weak. V2 dies in seconds if you have all weapons and have mastered the game but a new player with only the pistol, shotgun, and minigun struggles with the V2 fight.
10. Next time do your research before spewing nonsense

[Arc]

By making your post a tedious to read 10 point list, its too tedious to read lmao.
Who does that? Really?

[Cksalzy]

Originally posted by Arc:

By making your post a tedious to read 10 point list, its too tedious to read lmao.
Who does that? Really?

aww someone struggles to read a basic list

[purevessel]

Originally posted by Cksalzy:

Originally posted by Arc:

Doomguy is cringe as ****. They took my boy, the actual doom guy, a regular marine scrounging resources to get through hell, relying on his weapons because he was still fundamentally human, then turned him into a DC super hero immortal "bad ass" seemingly based on a joke comic from decades ago. Completely ruined the series lore.
He's only strong because of alien steroids , too, so he actually fails at being "badass" if you play the games, but most people who hype him up either didn't do that and just want to fit in or did and legitimately don't understand this even though its spelled out explicitly.

Also your argument is stupid. V1 was... made by humanity. How is his fundamental existence relying on an outside source "not help"? He literally wouldn't be a thing without them, far more than what ZoomZoomGuy has going on. The hell terminals also help him with weapons and Hell itself constantly spawns in guys for him to kill for blood. He's also not killing entire layers of hell solo; he's killing tiny portions of Hell and we know other machines are elsewhere also doing this. If it wasn't for beating up GayBriel, V1 would be completely irrelevant. Every facet of his existence from his onset, his journey, his tools and even his relevance are 100% reliant on other people. Even calling him "him" is based on humans having males and it being convinient. He's actually an "it".
Him beating V2 doesn't mean crap also. V2 is weak as hell, he dies in actual seconds. Nothing ever implies or states V2 to be a big deal.

1. Doom guy is not cringe
2. You misunderstood my point about V1, I know V1 exists because of humanity but he went through hell by himself with no help. The terminals don't directly help him in any way. All the terminals do is give information and you can beat ultrakill without using the terminals. The terminals giving you weapon variants that cost points is to the terminals benefit because they are bored and you can beat ultrakill with no weapon variants.
3. Hell spawning in enemies for him to kill is for hells entertainment not to V1's benefit.
4.Before the second fight with gabriel, he literally says limbo and lust are extinct because of you. No other machine in hell can do this, V2 isnt strong enough and is only hunting you.
5. "If it wasn't for beating up GayBriel, V1 would be completely irrelevant." This makes no sense, as both the prime souls of king minos and systhus are far stronger than Gabriel and V1 destroys all of them only for the reward that is fresh blood. V1 is very relevant before he meets gabriel. Gabriel went to fight V1 because V1's presence in hell was a threat to the council of angels and hell itself. V1 was always relevant in ultrakill. Gabreil is also a huge threat to everything in ultrakill because hes the strongest angel and easily kills the council of angels along with destroying the greed insurrection by himself.
6. His existence was because of humanity but his tools and weapons are from V1 taking it forcfully from a dead enemy or the weapon is lying around for anyone else to take.
7. i call V1 him because i see V1 as a him, its fine if you dont and this point doesnt matter at all.
8. Him beating V2 is very important as V2 is stronger and faster than V1 canonically but V1's wartime experience and experimental plating that lets V1 regenerate from blood makes the V2 fight "easy". V2 isnt noticed by Gabriel in hell because he sees you as the bigger threat and V2's only goal is to kill V1.
9.V2 is far from weak. V2 dies in seconds if you have all weapons and have mastered the game but a new player with only the pistol, shotgun, and minigun struggles with the V2 fight.
10. Next time do your research before spewing nonsense

4. Not only because of you. You opened the gates, but it was the other machines that finished them off.
5. No, V1 isnt special. Gabriel at first didnt even know who you are, he probably went there to stop the machines in general.
Furthermore, gabriel wasnt alone. Also, the counci is most probably be weak because they dont fight, they dont even have weapons, and dont seem to know "heaven magic". They would probably be weaker than a virtue.
8. V2 isnt the upgraded model. V2 is the peacetime model. V2 cant heal but is tougher. He isnt faster, probably slower, and with a less aggressive AI. V2 didnt really care about you either, he only wanted revenge after you beat him.
9.1 so you do admit V1 isnt that strong?
9.2 gameplay isnt the lore.

[<#76428a>Sharkbilby]

Originally posted by Cksalzy:

Originally posted by Arc:

Doomguy is cringe as ****. They took my boy, the actual doom guy, a regular marine scrounging resources to get through hell, relying on his weapons because he was still fundamentally human, then turned him into a DC super hero immortal "bad ass" seemingly based on a joke comic from decades ago. Completely ruined the series lore.
He's only strong because of alien steroids , too, so he actually fails at being "badass" if you play the games, but most people who hype him up either didn't do that and just want to fit in or did and legitimately don't understand this even though its spelled out explicitly.

Also your argument is stupid. V1 was... made by humanity. How is his fundamental existence relying on an outside source "not help"? He literally wouldn't be a thing without them, far more than what ZoomZoomGuy has going on. The hell terminals also help him with weapons and Hell itself constantly spawns in guys for him to kill for blood. He's also not killing entire layers of hell solo; he's killing tiny portions of Hell and we know other machines are elsewhere also doing this. If it wasn't for beating up GayBriel, V1 would be completely irrelevant. Every facet of his existence from his onset, his journey, his tools and even his relevance are 100% reliant on other people. Even calling him "him" is based on humans having males and it being convinient. He's actually an "it".
Him beating V2 doesn't mean crap also. V2 is weak as hell, he dies in actual seconds. Nothing ever implies or states V2 to be a big deal.

5. "If it wasn't for beating up GayBriel, V1 would be completely irrelevant." This makes no sense, as both the prime souls of king minos and systhus are far stronger than Gabriel and V1 destroys all of them only for the reward that is fresh blood. V1 is very relevant before he meets gabriel. Gabriel went to fight V1 because V1's presence in hell was a threat to the council of angels and hell itself. V1 was always relevant in ultrakill. Gabreil is also a huge threat to everything in ultrakill because hes the strongest angel and easily kills the council of angels along with destroying the greed insurrection by himself.

Killing the prime souls isn't canon btw. Just a fun gameplay extra for 100%ing certain parts of the game.

[Der dicke Shiba]

i have never played doom but i agree