p-3 candidates

[Marcowarrio]

i will list who i think will be in p-3 and who i think will definitely not be in p-3
WHO WILL NOT BE IN P-3: Lucifer prime (he was an angel, angels cant be prime souls) gabriel prime (same reason as the last one) adam prime (good option but i think he will be in an ultrakill sequel) jesus prime (an angel cant be a prime soul) god prime (god is dead in ultrakill lore) overall any angel, machine, or demon wont be a prime soul. WHO I THINK WILL BE IN P-3: ixion prime (made an entire essay on a p-3 concept with ixion, https://steamcommunity.com/app/1229490/discussions/0/5769714637090986696/?ctp=2 be sure to check the comments as well for it has remasters in the comments as well as shortened versions) oedipus prime (would most likely be in violence, fits the trend of prime souls being male greek kings) olga/elena prime (in the comments of my p-3 concept, creator gives a good reason) thats all, share your ideas in the comments

[Zebefreo]

Still hoping for brutus or judas prime, but as you said it's probably going to be another greek king

[NitoAndTheFunkyBunch]

Why cant an angel be a prime soul?

The minos prime log says this
"A prime soul is an incredibly rare occurrence in which a soul amasses so much power that it no longer requires a Husk as a vessel to manifest physically. As manifestations of pure will, prime souls are incredibly powerful, to the point that even the prideful angels see them as a threat and will use any means necessary to stop them from forming."

Nothing says it needs to be a human. The term "require a husk" may imply that but since humans can inhabit angel bodies too "Lesser angels come from human souls", then couldnt greater angels also have souls? A prime soul is just a soul that needs no body.

And certainly a prime angel soul would be stronger than a prime human soul right? Perfect for a boss to surpass both minos and sysiphus.

[Marcowarrio]

im pretty sure the "requires a husk" is serious, and besides, i think we will get prime angels for ultrakill 2 or 3

[zab]

why can't angels have prime souls?

[Watereaters]

It can be Lucifer or Judas, considering that layer 9 was their punishment.

Lucifer can take inspiration from Paradise Lost, while Judas can be angry at God and the world that he had to betray Jesus for the prophecy to save humanity yet he is being condemned and scorned as though he did it out of selfish greed.

[Marcowarrio]

im pretty sure hakita deconfirmed a lucifer or god fight (im sure he deconfirmed god but tell me if he also said lucifer i dont have discord so i cant check)

[Formal Coffee Bean]

Originally posted by Watereaters:

It can be Lucifer or Judas, considering that layer 9 was their punishment.

Lucifer can take inspiration from Paradise Lost, while Judas can be angry at God and the world that he had to betray Jesus for the prophecy to save humanity yet he is being condemned and scorned as though he did it out of selfish greed.

The one of Judas could actually be really clever. Maybe he was just searching to let it happen as soon as possible, waiting for the salvation of humanity to soon follow, but then was thrown into the deepest abyss of Treachery for treason against God.

He had a will strong enough to risk all of his existance and betray the Son of God in hopes for a better future, and with his added anger at God and Heaven in general for feeling betrayed himself, he could have the potential to be an extremely dangerous Prime Soul.

Him also being widely known for his betrayal of Jesus throghout the entirety of 33 CE to pretty much as long as Christianity remains slightly relevant, his presence in the public conscience would be ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ ENORMOUS, his husk larger than any other in existance. Now that I think of it, he could be the replacement for that of Lucifer on the very center of Hell, reasoned by:

1) In the first part of the Divine Comedy, the corpse of Lucifer was so big that, as Wendigoon said, Dante was closer to the height of the giants (which were pretty damn tall) than the giants were that of Lucifer's corpse.

2) Lucifer would not necessarily be dead by any means, just trapped somewhere or hanging around in Treachery

3) Angels are moderately sized and not extremely big, evidenced by Gabriel and the Virtues

4) As said before, Judas is on the top 5 or 10 most known figures of Christianity and doomed to the 9th layer of Hell.

So yeah, maybe after all Judas will be the Prime Soul of P-3 and the giant corpse in the middle of Hell. It'll certainly be very interesting to fight him, along with how he'll exactly fit in the lore.

[Marcowarrio]

still think it would be oedipus or ixion

[Formal Coffee Bean]

I don't exactly see angels as good contestants as Prime Souls, unless Gabriel somehow dies in our encounter and suddenly goes "Sike, tricked ya you b-tch, now prepare thyself", considering that he had the will of killing the entirety of the Heavenly Council and show off the head of a councilor to a whole crowd in Heaven while also having the recognition of being God's right hand and one of his mightiest and most popular archangels whie also, well, showing off the head of a councilor to a whole crowd in Heaven.

Although we also have to consider the main storyline of ULTRAKILL is not meant to be all that hard and maybe Gabriel won't become a Prime Soul due to those limitations, but considering that Hakita is Hakita and he hit us with a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ train in P-2, it wouldn't be a surprise that he let Gabriel Prime exist in the last level and be similar to Minos Prime, just slightly nerfed.

TLDR: 50/50 Gabriel Prime. Me no like angels as prime soul.

[Marcowarrio]

so do i no like angel as prime soul, i think we will get prime angels but most likely in ultrakill 2 or 3.

[Formal Coffee Bean]

Originally posted by Marcowarrio:

still think it would be oedipus or ixion

I'd disagree, since none of them have made remarkable acts throghout history or have a will strong enough to justify them being Prime Souls, but they do have the advantage of being mythological greek kings and that Hakita changes up a little bit their stories whenever they enter the game. So I'd say it's a 25 they do make it and 75 that they don't, since their original stories do not posses such acts of sheer will, but they also could be changed slightly to make it more fitting.

[Marcowarrio]

well i saw your olga prime concept, so who else do u think p-3 would be other than judas or lucifer.

[Marcowarrio]

why i think it would be ixion or oedipus, first both were greek kings, oedipus commited mass acts of violence, and ixion commited betrayal/treachery by killing his father in law, oedipus in violence and ixion in treachery.

[Formal Coffee Bean]

Originally posted by Marcowarrio:

well i saw your olga prime concept, so who else do u think p-3 would be other than judas or lucifer.

Well, as I had said before, I personally think it would be Judas or Olga. Both could fit into the lore pretty well and are very remembered figures throughout history. Olga, with the possibility of her having led the entirety of Violence in God's disappearance into a harsh and long war against Heaven and safeguarding those that she deemed could have another opportunity, she'd be well-known both in the realm of Hell for her acts in ruling and also in Heaven, having been officialy made a saint in the 1500s. She'd also have the benefit of being an actual ruler known around the world for her - questionable - acts.

For my reasons for Judas, just see my posts above.

Lucifer definetely will not be a prime soul, since all he did was ask a question to God and get cast down into Hell. He didn't even necesarily die in the process or after it, which is needed for someone to become a Prime Soul. Although he may be a remarkable figure in the history of Christianity, it does not mean he posseses the willpower in ULTRAKILL's history to acquire the status of "make a whole damn prison for this guy".

[Watereaters]

Originally posted by Formal Coffe Bean:

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A gospel was discovered relatively recently (in 2006) in Egypt written in Coptic which claims that Jesus did ask Judas to betray him, though this does contradict the gospels used for the Bible which claim that Judas did such an act out of greed.