Let’s be honest..

[Fluxxation]

Sawblade launcher needs a nerf.

I’d like to hear someone try and explain it being balanced. I can cheese virtually the whole game with it. The only balanced feature being the cooldown. It’s supposedly not good against aerial enemies, but who says magnets are a necessity, not to mention I can turn that drone into a blender and then punch it at another 3 drones, slaughtering all of them.

[Hook Master]

Contrasting the nailgun, it sucks ass against malicious faces and any flying enemies
Sawblade really only feels super duper powerful in closed spaces (which is what it's supposed to do) since the blades bounce, more so for the green variant (which is so specific it's hardly ever used)
Sawblade is balanced by being more about piercing than direct damage, min maxing it's ability to cut through hordes while dealing pitiful direct damage, the exact opposite of the nailgun.
Turning an enemy into a walking blender is part of that, perhaps the only thing needing tuning is the ability for sawtraps to annihilate walking bosses like the ferryman, but most bosses are flying or too big anyway.
You can't make a slow firing alternative to a MINIGUN without making it do big damage

[Ixacu]

Originally posted by StaticSpark:

Contrasting the nailgun, it sucks ass against malicious faces and any flying enemies
Sawblade really only feels super duper powerful in closed spaces (which is what it's supposed to do) since the blades bounce, more so for the green variant (which is so specific it's hardly ever used)
Sawblade is balanced by being more about piercing than direct damage, min maxing it's ability to cut through hordes while dealing pitiful direct damage, the exact opposite of the nailgun.
Turning an enemy into a walking blender is part of that, perhaps the only thing needing tuning is the ability for sawtraps to annihilate walking bosses like the ferryman, but most bosses are flying or too big anyway.
You can't make a slow firing alternative to a MINIGUN without making it do big damage

wait theres a green variant of the sawblade????
im actually being serious i did not know this

[Teriven verien]

Originally posted by Mithrix:

Sawblade launcher needs a nerf.

I’d like to hear someone try and explain it being balanced. I can cheese virtually the whole game with it. The only balanced feature being the cooldown. It’s supposedly not good against aerial enemies, but who says magnets are a necessity, not to mention I can turn that drone into a blender and then punch it at another 3 drones, slaughtering all of them.

ok lets play a game of how many ways can i delete the weakest enemy in the game that are simpler than what you mentioned with the sawblade.

1. shoot it twice with the pistold
2. shoot it once with piercer (community calls it slab)
3. shoot a coin (double kill if you time it right)
4. point blank with a shotty (<---don't do this)
5. hit them with a core launch
6. punch a shotty bullet into a group
7, nuke them all by shooting the core
8. nuke them with the red varient of the railgun
9. ....just shoot them with the rocket launcher

all of these are better and easier than what you said and the ladder bunch can kill WAY more than 3

[brennekefan]

The Sawblade Launcher would be more balanced if the Saws caused self-damage, so you would need to be careful where you shoot them or place Sawtraps. As it is now, you can create a death trap, run right through it, and any rush-based enemy like Streetcleaners cannot do anything about it. (Of course the Nailtraps are safe too - which is another matter - but Sawtraps stick out more because they take more space and kill easier)

On the other hand, I would like the Projectile-Boosted Saws to turn explosive. Considering that they are bigger projectiles than the Shotgun pellets and that it takes more effort to boost them via Feedbacker punch, it would only more make sense for the Projectile-Boosted Saws to explode on impact as well.

[Royal Mummy]

the sawblade sucks i might actually use it if the normal saws could one shot pepsimen but it's super weak and feels weak

[kanyedrpepper]

the fact you gain like 3 levels up on the style meter i aggre

[salty red]

Eh, I can’t see my self not useing them, there dps is way better than the alternative, even against single enemy’s.

[wordless_birds]

no the nail gun is only good for 1 target damage or other things but the saw blade is amazing for like room clearing better taps and more.So i think having the saw blade being good don't mean that it's need to be Nerf.

[Herr Sten]

Are you guys using saws WITHOUT magnets???

[ALLRIOT]

Originally posted by StaticSpark:

Contrasting the nailgun, it sucks ass against malicious faces and any flying enemies
Sawblade really only feels super duper powerful in closed spaces (which is what it's supposed to do) since the blades bounce, more so for the green variant (which is so specific it's hardly ever used)
Sawblade is balanced by being more about piercing than direct damage, min maxing it's ability to cut through hordes while dealing pitiful direct damage, the exact opposite of the nailgun.
Turning an enemy into a walking blender is part of that, perhaps the only thing needing tuning is the ability for sawtraps to annihilate walking bosses like the ferryman, but most bosses are flying or too big anyway.
You can't make a slow firing alternative to a MINIGUN without making it do big damage

um acshually malicious nutsack no fli

[ALLRIOT]

Originally posted by brennekefan:

The Sawblade Launcher would be more balanced if the Saws caused self-damage, so you would need to be careful where you shoot them or place Sawtraps. As it is now, you can create a death trap, run right through it, and any rush-based enemy like Streetcleaners cannot do anything about it. (Of course the Nailtraps are safe too - which is another matter - but Sawtraps stick out more because they take more space and kill easier)

On the other hand, I would like the Projectile-Boosted Saws to turn explosive. Considering that they are bigger projectiles than the Shotgun pellets and that it takes more effort to boost them via Feedbacker punch, it would only more make sense for the Projectile-Boosted Saws to explode on impact as well.

no

[salmonhead]

Originally posted by brennekefan:

The Sawblade Launcher would be more balanced if the Saws caused self-damage, so you would need to be careful where you shoot them or place Sawtraps. As it is now, you can create a death trap, run right through it, and any rush-based enemy like Streetcleaners cannot do anything about it. (Of course the Nailtraps are safe too - which is another matter - but Sawtraps stick out more because they take more space and kill easier)

On the other hand, I would like the Projectile-Boosted Saws to turn explosive. Considering that they are bigger projectiles than the Shotgun pellets and that it takes more effort to boost them via Feedbacker punch, it would only more make sense for the Projectile-Boosted Saws to explode on impact as well.

That would probably kill all use for it. Taking damage for a weapon that you already cannot use much because of the limited ammo would cause everyone to abandon its upsides and go back to the nailgun

[salmonhead]

Originally posted by StaticSpark:

Contrasting the nailgun, it sucks ass against malicious faces and any flying enemies
Sawblade really only feels super duper powerful in closed spaces (which is what it's supposed to do) since the blades bounce, more so for the green variant (which is so specific it's hardly ever used)
Sawblade is balanced by being more about piercing than direct damage, min maxing it's ability to cut through hordes while dealing pitiful direct damage, the exact opposite of the nailgun.
Turning an enemy into a walking blender is part of that, perhaps the only thing needing tuning is the ability for sawtraps to annihilate walking bosses like the ferryman, but most bosses are flying or too big anyway.
You can't make a slow firing alternative to a MINIGUN without making it do big damage

That's not that much of an issue since you can just shotgun swap to kill malicious faces and other flying enemies. Along with that, you can just have one nailgun variant be the sawblade launcher and the other be the normal nailgun.

[brennekefan]

Originally posted by absolute fool:

Originally posted by brennekefan:

The Sawblade Launcher would be more balanced if the Saws caused self-damage, so you would need to be careful where you shoot them or place Sawtraps. As it is now, you can create a death trap, run right through it, and any rush-based enemy like Streetcleaners cannot do anything about it. (Of course the Nailtraps are safe too - which is another matter - but Sawtraps stick out more because they take more space and kill easier)

On the other hand, I would like the Projectile-Boosted Saws to turn explosive. Considering that they are bigger projectiles than the Shotgun pellets and that it takes more effort to boost them via Feedbacker punch, it would only more make sense for the Projectile-Boosted Saws to explode on impact as well.

That would probably kill all use for it. Taking damage for a weapon that you already cannot use much because of the limited ammo would cause everyone to abandon its upsides and go back to the nailgun

No, it would still have plenty of use as long as you would maintain basic safety measures. All the self-damaging Saws would change is that you would need to be mindful where to fire the Saws - they are not that unpredictable and avoiding them is easy already (just do not run into your own Sawtraps, or simply not fire the non-magneted Saws at the same floor as you are). As it is, the Sawtraps are appallingly easy to abuse when compared to Nailtraps, while other crowd control measures like Core Eject or Overpump retain the self-harm risk.

[ALLRIOT]

Originally posted by brennekefan:

Originally posted by absolute fool:

That would probably kill all use for it. Taking damage for a weapon that you already cannot use much because of the limited ammo would cause everyone to abandon its upsides and go back to the nailgun

No, it would still have plenty of use as long as you would maintain basic safety measures. All the self-damaging Saws would change is that you would need to be mindful where to fire the Saws - they are not that unpredictable and avoiding them is easy already (just do not run into your own Sawtraps, or simply not fire the non-magneted Saws at the same floor as you are). As it is, the Sawtraps are appallingly easy to abuse when compared to Nailtraps, while other crowd control measures like Core Eject or Overpump retain the self-harm risk.

bro but you dont spam 10 core ejects out at the same time.