How to use the Forge

[Dalek]

Is the Forge just random (unlike the Enhancement Chamber which powers up the face up die side)? I thought I read somewhere on the Steam forum that the Designers said it tries to weight sides that are powered up, but since it is very easy power up sides you don't care about (due to Enhancement Chamber techs), you can wind up with a die that has lost the faces you wanted it for. I haven't fully explored the manipulation buildings, so maybe one of the other 2 allow you to fix/control the upgrading? Any advice would be appreciated.

[Zamy]

The forge takes 6 random faces out of the 12, powers up a bit them randomly, and adds a trait if they aren't 2, to make it short

[Strongale]

The laboratory gives you total control on faces, but with a greater cost.

[Juicy Beefcake]

I used the forge once. I got a trait that gave the dice half health... I never used the forge again.
Laboratory is very powerful when used with the Enhancement Chamber. I have 2 pure peasant constructs, one gear, one harvest. Not sure if the cost of the Laboratory is worth it for the other classes. It looks like I am also going to need a pure combat as well.
IMO the forge shouldn't give bad traits. I have an already infinite supply of bad dice, why tease me?

[Zamy]

Note that a forged die can have strenght on its faces up to 8, while using only then enhancement chamber on "normal" dice, it can be only up to 4

[Juicy Beefcake]

Postat inițial de Zamy:

Note that a forged die can have strength on its faces up to 8, while using only then enhancement chamber on "normal" dice, it can be only up to 4

Unless you get the 'stupid' trait, like the other post I saw, that reduces the power of the dice. Or you get the 'meek' trait, like I did, that cuts the dice's durability in half. I ended up sacrificing that dice to the lab in the end because it was horribly inefficient.

[Zamy]

yep, that's the risk involved in doing experiments :D

[Juicy Beefcake]

I used the lab 2 more times at the end of the run for science. I got 1 "positive" trait (not very good at all) and another decidedly negative one. 'Dumb' renders a dice unable to use the enhancement chamber, making it mostly useless aside from whatever meager buff you get from the forge.

I realize its a small sample size, but 1/3 is really bad odds...

Also for future reference: constructs maybe cannot ascend? Or maybe you can only ascend one dice per run? I think you would be better off just ascending a maxed peasant and a maxed citizen, starting with those, and ignoring the slot machine. (I had 3 enhancement chambers when I won the run)

[devxx]

@Zamy - can't recall but are traits explain at all via the in-game help? if they are, maybe add more explanation/examples. if they aren't it would be a good idea to add some explanation as to what they are, what they do, and how do you get them. they seem to be causing confusion.

[Zamy]

You can ascend any dice, and there is no hard limit.
The only limitation is that the obelisk can "remember" only 1 die at a time, so you're limited by the number of those: 9 obelisks will allow you to ascend up to 9 dice

[Juicy Beefcake]

Postat inițial de Zamy:

You can ascend any dice, and there is no hard limit.
The only limitation is that the obelisk can "remember" only 1 die at a time, so you're limited by the number of those: 9 obelisks will allow you to ascend up to 9 dice

That explains why I only have one ascended dice after sending 3 through the obelisk.
Would be nice if it locked the slot after using it, or said that in the description. I used it blind expecting it to destroy the dice, but when it didn't I spent 5 extra minutes feeding more dice through before I ended the run. Then I ended up with only one ascended die.