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yes killed Gwayin but he wasnt really that good, he killed thousands of innocent just to upgrade the grimoire, he use people and the king and tried to use and trick kylian at the end.
kylian when he had the opportunity to get everything he wanted: power, title, land, money, magic he gave up not to kill thousands of innocents and die loosing his body becouse of this choise... so surely there is good in him despite the mistakes he made chasing his ideal of wanting to change the world at any cost.
Gleen made a choose to entrust the future to him and the power to him, he knew kylian the best and he knew he will learn from his mistake (kylian he is fully aware of his mistakes at the end of the game, he clearly says he is a failure and has done nothing but make mistakes) just like him.
After this ending I have zero motivation to do anything more in this game. Why should I build a bigger base, collect ultimate weapons, complete the achievement board when I know the protagonist is going to basically kill himself because he is done with life and gives a notorious betrayer with a hero complex his powers. In his past lives he helps humanity advance again and again and now that they're not held back anymore by being killed off again he just resigns? I can live with a bad or bittersweet ending but this just does't make any sense.
It was quite the turnaround to have Glenn die like that, but I feel like that's mostly because the emotions behind that scene felt almost rushed... like we missed something.
Which sucks, because the beginning acts of the game (Up until the base-making part) were super good at building up the characters and their dynamics with one another, then after that everything felt a bit faster and slightly rushed.
Don't get me wrong, while I am a bit bummed that Glenn just goes "Eh, I'm too tired for this ♥♥♥♥. I'm gonna bird up the ♥♥♥♥ out of here" and peaces out I do understand that it fits the theme of redemption this game was going about. The problem is, we don't see enough of Kylian after the fact and we don't have enough interactions with him with Glenn. Not to mention the fact that he goes on a power-hungry tantrum and then instantly tries to kill you without a second thought makes me scratch my head once he's a good guy.
I know it fits into the theme that he just wanted a world for his sister to wake up in that she could be happy in, and how he was willing to do anything to do that, but even so, it just feels wrong because of how fast that shift was. He was a guy who wants to do anything for his sister, tries to kill the party for his sister, and then realizes that he's about to be taken over so in a last act of defiance he helps the party out so they can kill him—and the gods inside of him—to help create that world for his sister.
The thing is, if the Glenn from like 50-70% of the game did this, I'd see it. The Glenn in his home, the Glenn trying to figure out who he was... all of that would fit that Glenn. After the Fairy Girl's recovery mind-meld and all the times, they pushed him into a leadership role I felt like he started to truly have a bit of back to his bone, literally putting his foot down first and telling the gods "You don't know ♥♥♥♥" before anyone else, which is a surprise because it's usually Leanne who does that.
I feel like the Glenn we saw at the end was a regressed state of Glenn, one that I felt like we had moved past. Likewise, I feel like the Kylian we saw at the end was one that was way further developed than we got to see to be.
I get that Glenn never wanted any of this, constantly turning down leadership positions, but that decision in the end was one of stagnation—not character growth. He has tried to "let go" so much that he literally created kids out of thin air, overdosing on copium and expecting everything to be okay.
To be clear, I actually think the ending isn't bad, per se; I believe that it has a lot of potential but it's missing some key scenes to really pull this together, and a bit less of a rush in the dialogue department in some key moments, especially at the end. I would have liked if Kylian tried at first to work alongside Glenn, with both having a half-and-half amount of power, but Glenn can tell something's wrong within him. So, he breaks down, yelling at the party about his sister and how he finally can do something to fix this world, and they won't let him. He knows he's done bad, he's ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up, but so have the rest of them and why should they be allowed forgiveness and he shouldn't—to do so is to truly display hypocrisy. In a last ditch effort, he then demands from Glenn to give up his side of the power, but then someone says how that cannot be done unless Glenn loses his life.
Solumly, Kylian takes out his blade and just says:
"Glenn, I know I've messed up a lot, but I'm going to make the right decision. If you can't then...
...
I am going to make a world where my sister can wake up with a smile... even if that means taking yours from it."
Have him fight you as just Glen with a sword, like he was in our party.
He does all the skills we had before, but the damage he does is pitiful because we're in ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sky armors.
Quickly, after a bit of damage, he shape changes into his final boss form we start off with, while we add a bit of dialogue to this scene like.
"I'M GOING TO SAVE EVERYONE. I DON'T CARE WHAT HAPPENS TO ME IN THE PROCESS. I ALREADY THREW AWAY MY BODY ONCE! WHAT'S ONCE MORE!!"
and he morphs into the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ angel to fight us, and then everything afterwards would make more sense. Though the design of the final boss was great, the Kylian mind fight I feel like should have had different bodies. Instead of Generic "Healer / Tank / Caster"
It should have been the 2 dudes who died with you in the beginning of the game, mutated and ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up, with the Tank as the bull, the Bird as the "Caster/Nuker" and his sister as the Healer/Heart. This would have had more emotional baggage as you can almost feel how Kylian thinks he let these people down, and how much their pain weighs on his mind and soul, and the crown on the head should have been cracked and barbed like it's a burdening a broken soul.
Make it feel more emotional, make us feel like Kylian is trying to do something right but doing it wrong. Make us feel like he isn't just a power-hungry idiot that is going "Wah Wah Wah I wanna be a god now Wahh" and then goes "Oopsy Poopsy I'mma do everything I can to save you now because I'm being controlled oops I'm good now"
That's all I feel like was needed. Some extra scenes, fluff to really flesh out Kylian's relationship more, instead of just "Haha I'm Full Metal Alchemist now!" and then you see him twice or thrice and then bam. Yeah there's some other scenes but there's like 1-3 others and they are very far and few in between.
This also seems to happen with Leanne's brother, how he just suddenly was like "Actually... I was code Geass... all along... bleh." which just felt like a cop-out to be like "Hmm... how could he be a redeemable character" when he never really felt TOO conflicted by his actions, or at least I never picked up on it. I would have loved if that line the old man said came with a lot more emotion:
"Here, let me remove that burden for you."
That line he says before that lieutenant tries to kill Leanne's brother would have been so much better if it was much more known that he was conflicted about what he was doing, but was moving forward. If that line was said with a modicum of actual ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ PITY for him, and he actually meant it rather than was trying to be 'cocky old man' with power go "haha slashy on prince who he think super weak, oopsy he's not!! Oh noes I'm dead now!!"
He was effectively Kylian in a sense, doing what he thought was right in order to make a better world for his sister.
At this point, the way the game was written, this ending felt like giving power to Leanne's brother, which doesn't feel good.
The direction isn't bad, but the execution and how we were lead up to it was, which is a shame because the direction all the way up to where Glenn runs away for ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ up on the crystal breaking again was absolutely F l a w l e s s.
But this was rly bad :(
Through the whole game Glenn had to endure so much....and then at the end..he threw it all away, rezzed the traitor..and wanted to be a bird?
COME ON...that was rly like a bad soap story/ending :/
Overall the game was not bad....but i also did not liked the story about the magical city Nhysa.
So much drama and +omg we are looking forward to its secret and history+..and then?
Here 2-3 books ...more questions than answers..and the dragon played nearly zero role at the story :(
And what bout the princesses brother? That story-ending was also very very weak :/
Overall the game was fine, but rly no super jrpg like some people told me before.
IF the ending is not fitting then the game overall is maybe~ ok /max. good for me. But not more than that.
Also so many questions were not answered.....maybe there will be a 2. part?
But this time, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD..without that awful Overdrive-Battle-System and without the rly bad crystal-system ^^
I feel like this is some commentary on responsibility versus freedom, and despite Glenn being presented a laundry list of reasons to be responsible, he said "♥♥♥♥ it" and pressed the freedom button. It doesn't really work out that well, because not only is Kylian clearly shown to not be responsible what so ever but it also in hindsight makes Glenn out to be a massive idiot with extremely poor decision making.
Also, good luck being a bird when the Harbinger gets out because Kylian just becomes Vaen 2.0.
You know, I am not even upset at the fact that Kylian got it. I am a bit surprised so few agree. I was saying ''Poor Kylian.. Poor Kylian'' throughout the entire story actually. He actually didn't murder that many people at all
There is a heavy, deep theme of - means to a greater purpose -. You see it with Lenne's brother too. Sometimes it is necessary to switch sides, or murder 1 for the sake of 100. I don't actually think Kylian was that bad, and he was better suited than Glenn. As stated, he had the actual ''will'' and sense of purpose to do this. Remember, Kylian raised and helped Glenn to begin with, giving him purpose - they were best friends. I'm glad he did not die a horrible dude all of a sudden.
I am a bit more upset at the following:
- Lenne shows no love or respect for Robb, even at the end
- Lenne generally being a bit too cold-hearted, not likable after act 3. No sympathy for any characters or things happening. People move on so fast.
- Lenne not being with Glenn is a bit of a ''sad thing'' but ultimately anti-cliche.
- Glenn becoming a bird is rough. You do secretly still wish for a ''happier'' ending. A small life of a bird can't be better than him just traveling as Glenn and becoming old. It's a bit of wasted potential.
- A bit confusing. Glenn is the bird. Freedom, not wanting to be trapped. Next scene: Glenn wants to follow Kylian (?), then is locked in a cage (lol), then is released and flies away. (?)
- Is Amalia .. dying at the end? (She dropped the soup and looked ''weak'') rough..
- I did laugh, at the fact that Glenn is technically more a mass murderer than most of the villains (including Kylian). (Two entire villages/regions blown up in a row? + Killed Lenne lmao)
- Ultimate weapons just being another stat boost He-he.
- Build up of the 7-8 gods and we fight none of them
This game has been amazing. The writing is also incredible generally.
There are plenty of unresolved issues that the sequel to address:
Amalia having only one year to live due to her pact with the Masked Man and Balthraz trying to get her out of the pact
Lenne handling backlash from her brother’s actions leading to retaliation from kingdoms the neighboring continents and trying to develop a “weapon”. Her power and the reason why everyone was trying to preserve her as the last maiden.
The Church’s ambition to summon the Harbinger
Victor, and the efforts of the order to foil the Church’s plot
Kylian using the new power given to him to make things right and redeeming himself. The relationship with June (next protagonist?) and “the will”
The True Kings and their mission to defeat the Harbinger. The meditating monk and the voice come to mind as being key to the story. I’m guessing the moon is there to keep people away from the maelstrom.
We most likely will get a new protagonist who is an echo of a major character in the past. I can’t wait to play it.
If you think the ending is good because it's a setup for something in the future, no thank you. Who wants to be rewarded at the end of that story with "TO BE CONTINUED"? You also shouldn't have to do mental gymnastics to figure out what Matthias was going for, IMO...
The reason this ending fails so hard for me is that Matthias did such an awesome job setting up other elements of the story. There were several reveals prior that made me excited to see where things were going. He could have picked half a dozen other potential ways to wrap this up that would have made more sense, instead of focusing on a last second plot twist and a character who was gone most of the game.
The script really could have used another set of eyes earlier in the process. It's an incredibly unrewarding way to end the story, but I do think he could have made it work.