Hints and strategies for Heroic Defense mission mode

[dp25b]

For the ones who already played the survival mode aka Heroic Defense from the new DLC, what hints and advices could you give for reaching high levels and how far did you go on it?

My best score was 18 waves with Zorin, Fetisov, Sanek and Valya... Focused more on long range fire (rifles and MG) and trigger discipline, as ammo vanishes with SMGs.

Beyond level 10 or when Wehrmacht and Waffen engage the partisans, grenades and dogs become truly annoying and with longer combat time and little reinforcement time (especially beyond wave 15), everything becomes a mess.

I think this game mode was a very nice addition to the game and the part I most played and enjoyed so far in the new DLC!

P.S.: I hope the devs upgrade this game mode with more weapons available at the warehouse (luger, lewis, dp, mp35, maybe the g41w) and adding a fifth partisan or more to the squad.

[Cpt.DoeJohnson]

Originally posted by dp25b:

For the ones who already played the survival mode aka Heroic Defense from the new DLC, what hints and advices could you give for reaching high levels and how far did you go on it?

My best score was 18 waves with Zorin, Fetisov, Sanek and Valya... Focused more on long range fire (rifles and MG) and trigger discipline, as ammo vanishes with SMGs.

Beyond level 10 or when Wehrmacht and Waffen engage the partisans, grenades and dogs become truly annoying and with longer combat time and little reinforcement time (especially beyond wave 15), everything becomes a mess.

I think this game mode was a very nice addition to the game and the part I most played and enjoyed so far in the new DLC!

P.S.: I hope the devs upgrade this game mode with more weapons available at the warehouse (luger, lewis, dp, mp35, maybe the g41) and adding a fifth partisan or more to the squad.

Did you get an achievement for holding for so long? I bet there is an achievement for playing this mode, but what's needed to be done to get it?

[dp25b]

I got an achievement just for playing it (Defense mode), nothing else until now.

[Kerzyan]

There is one if you arrive up to wave 20, havn't got it yet, it's pretty hard

[Cpt.DoeJohnson]

Originally posted by Kerzyan:

There is one if you arrive up to wave 20, havn't got it yet, it's pretty hard

Thanks! It's probably called "Defense of Steel"...

[Frey]

nice, but can you add random AI spawn for each mission ? and defense mod on each mission big map ? where you defend a position, then you have to move to a new random position with ennemies on the road, then you defend this new random position...the key word for endless replayability is RANDOM.
If you need a good programmer for this I can do it.

[dp25b]

In actual mode, you need to defend a single place (square). Enemies come mostly from multiple and random positions in the map. It is somewhat random and forces players to adapt strategies in order to avoid enemies from flanking and overruning the square.

[puiuz]

It's very hard, my best score was 13 waves. If anyone managed to withstand 20 waves, please share with us your strategy. At least if we could save, even once. More resources would help a lot. Btw, did anyone find mines? in houses or in crates?

[Frey]

it's worth now the game ?

[dp25b]

Originally posted by puiuz:

It's very hard, my best score was 13 waves. If anyone managed to withstand 20 waves, please share with us your strategy. At least if we could save, even once. More resources would help a lot. Btw, did anyone find mines? in houses or in crates?

There are no scavengeable mines in the map. All of the mines you need you have to pick from the warehouse, before beginning the game.

Some of the tactics I use are (but I only managed to survive 18 waves):

0 - Abuse of the tactical pause whenever possible
1 - Employ rifles and stationary MGs: Rifle ammo (especially 7.92/german, more available) has good range, damage and does not vanish like SMG ammo (pick marksmen partisans too). Make sure to use the stationary MGs whenever enemies spawn close to them, espeially in early rounds with Polizei and Wehrmacht, it also helps saving ammo.
2 - Do not buy weapons for all partisans: some weapons can be picked from dead enemies, thus saving warehouse points to spend in other stuff (mines, molotovs, etc). My personal advice is to buy 2 firearms only, especially the ones for german ammo.
3 - Buy molotovs and mines instead of grenades: Grenades, although powerful, are kind of expensive (3 grenades cost as much as 4 molotovs or 4 landmines) and tend to disperse enemies instead of killing. You'd better scavenge them in the map, there is a fair ammount, and keep them for the latter rounds or desperate measures. Mines can help a lot when planted on spawn points (especially for dog squads) and path of enemies (the problem is finding the right place) and molotovs can terminate up to 2 enemies (works better for enemies behind cover).
4 - At the 2 first waves, try employing max. 2 partisans for combat and one for scavenging the whole map. This may help saving some time for inventory management.

[puiuz]

Originally posted by dp25b:

Originally posted by puiuz:

It's very hard, my best score was 13 waves. If anyone managed to withstand 20 waves, please share with us your strategy. At least if we could save, even once. More resources would help a lot. Btw, did anyone find mines? in houses or in crates?

There are no scavengeable mines in the map. All of the mines you need you have to pick from the warehouse, before beginning the game.

Some of the tactics I use are (but I only managed to survive 18 waves):

0 - Abuse of the tactical pause whenever possible
1 - Employ rifles and stationary MGs: Rifle ammo (especially 7.92/german, more available) has good range, damage and does not vanish like SMG ammo (pick marksmen partisans too). Make sure to use the stationary MGs whenever enemies spawn close to them, espeially in early rounds with Polizei and Wehrmacht, it also helps saving ammo.
2 - Do not buy weapons for all partisans: some weapons can be picked from dead enemies, thus saving warehouse points to spend in other stuff (mines, molotovs, etc). My personal advice is to buy 2 firearms only, especially the ones for german ammo.
3 - Buy molotovs and mines instead of grenades: Grenades, although powerful, are kind of expensive (3 grenades cost as much as 4 molotovs or 4 landmines) and tend to disperse enemies instead of killing. You'd better scavenge them in the map, there is a fair ammount, and keep them for the latter rounds or desperate measures. Mines can help a lot when planted on spawn points (especially for dog squads) and path of enemies (the problem is finding the right place) and molotovs can terminate up to 2 enemies (works better for enemies behind cover).
4 - At the 2 first waves, try employing max. 2 partisans for combat and one for scavenging the whole map. This may help saving some time for inventory management.

Thanks for the tips, I'll try later, maybe I will have more luck.

[puiuz]

Yo guys, after many hours spent in this defense mode I managed to withstand 21 waves. After wave 15 is madness, but I did it.
I played with Zorin, Trofin, Belozerova and Fetisov. I only bought weapons for Trofin(shotgun) and Belozerova(pistol, it doesn't matter which), of course a little ammunition. The rest I bought mines. 6 mines to Belozerova and rest of them to Zorin. I sent on Fetisov to the machine gun, Trofin and Zorin in the center hidden in the grass. Belozerova I sent her into grass in the north.
And this is where the madness begins. I planted mines with Zorin to Fetisov's left, there come soldiers with dogs after the 10th wave. To Fetisov's right it is a building, if you look closely there are 2 possible ways where enemies can come. Also, I planted mines. I left Trofin in the center hidden in grass, somewhere further west. Every time when one mine exploded, I planted another one with Zorin. After wave 10 I started planting mines with Belozerova between the northern buildings. Wave 20 is extremely heavy, because enemies are coming from all sides and even if you still have resources time becomes less and less and you don't have much time to plant mines.
Of course without skills it is impossible.
My advice is to try several times to learn where the enemies are coming from, to familiarize with the map, of course enemies spam randomly in every game, but the paths are always the same.
After 12 hours of trying, finally I did it.
Best of luck guys!

[Kai]

19 waves........so busy , omg , my money only for mines. I tried 14 hours in this mission
Today, I use Fetisov , Belozerova , Trofim , Nikitin

[puiuz]

Originally posted by Kai:

19 waves........so busy , omg , my money only for mines. I tried 14 hours in this mission
Today, I use Fetisov , Belozerova , Trofim , Nikitin

I know, it's frustrating. I died two times in a row at the beginning of wave 20, but for achievement you have to hold out until the beginning of wave 21.
Keep going and good luck!

[dp25b]

Originally posted by puiuz:

Yo guys, after many hours spent in this defense mode I managed to withstand 21 waves. After wave 15 is madness, but I did it.
I played with Zorin, Trofin, Belozerova and Fetisov. I only bought weapons for Trofin(shotgun) and Belozerova(pistol, it doesn't matter which), of course a little ammunition. The rest I bought mines. 6 mines to Belozerova and rest of them to Zorin. I sent on Fetisov to the machine gun, Trofin and Zorin in the center hidden in the grass. Belozerova I sent her into grass in the north.
And this is where the madness begins. I planted mines with Zorin to Fetisov's left, there come soldiers with dogs after the 10th wave. To Fetisov's right it is a building, if you look closely there are 2 possible ways where enemies can come. Also, I planted mines. I left Trofin in the center hidden in grass, somewhere further west. Every time when one mine exploded, I planted another one with Zorin. After wave 10 I started planting mines with Belozerova between the northern buildings. Wave 20 is extremely heavy, because enemies are coming from all sides and even if you still have resources time becomes less and less and you don't have much time to plant mines.
Of course without skills it is impossible.
My advice is to try several times to learn where the enemies are coming from, to familiarize with the map, of course enemies spam randomly in every game, but the paths are always the same.
After 12 hours of trying, finally I did it.
Best of luck guys!

Nice! I think reaching wave 21 with Trofim is an achievement by itself LMAO My first try was with Zorin, Fetisov, Trofim and Nikitin and Trofim is just too slow for the job, I survived 6 rounds xD

I finally managed to reach wave 21 too...

Same squad and strategies as I first suggested (Zorin, Fetisov, Sanek and Valya) and under 4 hours of stress and desperation only for this try (I played at least 5 times before)...

All efforts were almost fruitless as I lost permanently Valya for Wehrmacht fire and grenades between waves 10-13 and I thought it was it with only 3 partisans. Fortunately I managed to survive 'till wave 21 with 3 partisans, grenades, molotovs and landmines.

To avoid being 'naded by germans, try using molotovs against groups of 2+ soldiers as soon as they get into cover and when firearms do not make effect on them. If they throw grenades and you run, you are bound to be shot down by them and terminated with the bomb, removing the partisan from the squad until the end of the mission.

[puiuz]

Originally posted by dp25b:

Originally posted by puiuz:

Yo guys, after many hours spent in this defense mode I managed to withstand 21 waves. After wave 15 is madness, but I did it.
I played with Zorin, Trofin, Belozerova and Fetisov. I only bought weapons for Trofin(shotgun) and Belozerova(pistol, it doesn't matter which), of course a little ammunition. The rest I bought mines. 6 mines to Belozerova and rest of them to Zorin. I sent on Fetisov to the machine gun, Trofin and Zorin in the center hidden in the grass. Belozerova I sent her into grass in the north.
And this is where the madness begins. I planted mines with Zorin to Fetisov's left, there come soldiers with dogs after the 10th wave. To Fetisov's right it is a building, if you look closely there are 2 possible ways where enemies can come. Also, I planted mines. I left Trofin in the center hidden in grass, somewhere further west. Every time when one mine exploded, I planted another one with Zorin. After wave 10 I started planting mines with Belozerova between the northern buildings. Wave 20 is extremely heavy, because enemies are coming from all sides and even if you still have resources time becomes less and less and you don't have much time to plant mines.
Of course without skills it is impossible.
My advice is to try several times to learn where the enemies are coming from, to familiarize with the map, of course enemies spam randomly in every game, but the paths are always the same.
After 12 hours of trying, finally I did it.
Best of luck guys!

Nice! I think reaching wave 21 with Trofim is an achievement by itself LMAO My first try was with Zorin, Fetisov, Trofim and Nikitin and Trofim is just too slow for the job, I survived 6 rounds xD

I finally managed to reach wave 21 too...

Same squad and strategies as I first suggested (Zorin, Fetisov, Sanek and Valya) and under 4 hours of stress and desperation only for this try (I played at least 5 times before)...

All efforts were almost fruitless as I lost permanently Valya for Wehrmacht fire and grenades between waves 10-13 and I thought it was it with only 3 partisans. Fortunately I managed to survive 'till wave 21 with 3 partisans, grenades, molotovs and landmines.

To avoid being 'naded by germans, try using molotovs against groups of 2+ soldiers as soon as they get into cover and when firearms do not make effect on them. If they throw grenades and you run, you are bound to be shot down by them and terminated with the bomb, removing the partisan from the squad until the end of the mission.

Congratulations! It is an amazing satisfaction when you reach wave 21.