A game from 2008 has better combat than GTA V or RDR 2. Let that sink in.

[Incarnate]

I expected to play Red Dead and be blown away by the progress Rockstar has made in the ten years since GTA IV launched. And all I can think is that I wish there was a mod to take out the duels. The gunplay feel incredibly erratic and unresponsive. Every mission is insanely linear and is built around cover combat like it was a Gears of War clone. I swear they want you to spam Dead Eye. It's embarrassing.

Everything in RDR 2 has a million clunky menus to go through and you can't even disarm melee attackers in fights. Try and shoot the gun out of a duelist's hand it does nothing and you get killed. Sometimes in fights, you will hit the aim button and your pov will be locked on a corpse for some inexplicable reason.

I'm scratching my head how they screwed up something they already perfected. Am I nuts or is RDR combat somehow worse than GTA V?

[sshortguy1]

it's you, rdr 2 had a better game play overall, it's got to be you, even though the story to t was good but no offense the games around 12 yrs old

[Incarnate]

Originally posted by sshortguy1:

it's you, rdr 2 had a better game play overall, it's got to be you, even though the story to t was good but no offense the games around 12 yrs old

Overall, sure. RDR 2 had better weapon variety.

But the gunfights were lame. You can tell the devs desperately wanted you to abuse Dead Eye. The duels sucked too. I died most of the time trying to hit the aim, then wondering if I was supposed to hit the mark option like in Dead Eye, before figuring out what I was supposed to do. Such a clunky, stupid mechanic. Though, to its credit, I don't think any game ever figured out how to do duels.

[Gunsaremagic]

Originally posted by Incarnate:

Originally posted by sshortguy1:

it's you, rdr 2 had a better game play overall, it's got to be you, even though the story to t was good but no offense the games around 12 yrs old

Overall, sure. RDR 2 had better weapon variety.

But the gunfights were lame. You can tell the devs desperately wanted you to abuse Dead Eye. The duels sucked too. I died most of the time trying to hit the aim, then wondering if I was supposed to hit the mark option like in Dead Eye, before figuring out what I was supposed to do. Such a clunky, stupid mechanic. Though, to its credit, I don't think any game ever figured out how to do duels.

Rd2 had good fights but too easy

[Incarnate]

Originally posted by Gunsaremagic:

Originally posted by Incarnate:

Overall, sure. RDR 2 had better weapon variety.

But the gunfights were lame. You can tell the devs desperately wanted you to abuse Dead Eye. The duels sucked too. I died most of the time trying to hit the aim, then wondering if I was supposed to hit the mark option like in Dead Eye, before figuring out what I was supposed to do. Such a clunky, stupid mechanic. Though, to its credit, I don't think any game ever figured out how to do duels.

Rd2 had good fights but too easy

Later on, when you have more health and can tank damage, it's fun to just go off on crowds of people with double Semi-Auto Pistols.

But early when you have no health and have to cower behind cover, the game is kind of crap, tbh. Dead Eye isn't even useful until maybe chapter 3. Even after then it feels like cheating, because every fight is over in one second using it. Just isn't satisfying.

[Marshal]

I always found it lazy of rockstar to remove the different injury states in GTA 5. Now they’re either alive or instantly dead.

[Incarnate]

Originally posted by Marshal:

I always found it lazy of rockstar to remove the different injury states in GTA 5. Now they’re either alive or instantly dead.

Yeah, never thought about that.

In GTA IV they would limp or crawl away if you wounded them or punched them enough times. If you shot the guns out of cops' hands, they would run away in terror.

[ToasterRobber]

i disagree with RDR2 having ♥♥♥♥ combat, though i won't argue that the sounds themselves are good, out of every Rockstar game, i do think it's the best, but i 100% agree on you with GTA 5's combat, the guns look awful, sound awful, feel awful.
this game's combat is ♥♥♥♥♥♥' leagues better than GTA 5's, which is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sad.

[Incarnate]

Originally posted by It's Bobi.:

i disagree with RDR2 having ♥♥♥♥ combat, though i won't argue that the sounds themselves are good, but out of every Rockstar game, i do think it's the best, but i 100% agree on you with GTA 5's combat, the guns look awful, sound awful, feel awful.
this game's combat is ♥♥♥♥♥♥' leagues better than GTA 5's, which is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sad.

A good point. The gun sound effects sounds in GTA V are weird, like they accidentally mixed the audio way too low.

[9 I N E $]

maybe try out max payne 3? I'm honestly surprised no one has brought up rockstars linear third person shooter, it has fantastic satisfying combat, also the reason you might prefer gta 5s combat the most is because it used mp3s combat as a base

[Shadic]

Originally posted by sshortguy1:

it's you, rdr 2 had a better game play overall, it's got to be you, even though the story to t was good but no offense the games around 12 yrs old

RDR2 wasn't that fun.