No GTA 4 available then no sale.

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Not buying anymore Rockstar Games until GTA 4 is back!

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because steam drm is the most secured drm in the world right?? every single dev should only use steam drm, no exception!!!11!
whats stopping them from not selling their games on steam? I have no platform loyalty, if they made this game exclusively for their own launcher i'll still get it there if i want to play it,

That's not my point whatsoever. What I am saying is, if Rockstar want to sell their games on Steam then they should at least have functioning DRM so games work immediately. Valve also shouldn't allow products with outdated, botched or unsupported DRM's to be sold. I couldn't give a toss where Rockstar sell or how secure Steam is as a DRM as that's means sod all to a consumer. What I expect is a game that functions and is maintained whilst on-sale.

the game is already removed from steam though. you cant even get the game anywhere anymore, not even from rockstar.

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That's not my point whatsoever. What I am saying is, if Rockstar want to sell their games on Steam then they should at least have functioning DRM so games work immediately. Valve also shouldn't allow products with outdated, botched or unsupported DRM's to be sold. I couldn't give a toss where Rockstar sell or how secure Steam is as a DRM as that's means sod all to a consumer. What I expect is a game that functions and is maintained whilst on-sale.

the game is already removed from steam though. you cant even get the game anywhere anymore, not even from rockstar.

Yes and they finally removed it because they had no choice but it should have been removed years ago. Rockstar milked it right to the end and Valve allowed it. They happily neglected the game and if they cared so much about it and PC, they would have integrated it into the RSC immediately.

The game can still be purchased externally and will return to Steam.

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the game is already removed from steam though. you cant even get the game anywhere anymore, not even from rockstar.

Yes and they finally removed it because they had no choice but it should have been removed years ago. Rockstar milked it right to the end and Valve allowed it. They happily neglected the game and if they cared so much about it and PC, they would have integrated it into the RSC immediately.

The game can still be purchased externally and will return to Steam.

You know why it get removed from steam right? Why should they removed it years ago while gfwl still can generate keys for the game until recently.

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Yes and they finally removed it because they had no choice but it should have been removed years ago. Rockstar milked it right to the end and Valve allowed it. They happily neglected the game and if they cared so much about it and PC, they would have integrated it into the RSC immediately.

The game can still be purchased externally and will return to Steam.

You know why it get removed from steam right? Why should they removed it years ago while gfwl still can generate keys for the game until recently.

Yes I know why. The game still has 3 other DRM's in operation and it doesn't work properly on Windows 10 without some external modding and configuration. That's something Rockstar should update but they can't be arsed. Too busy milking kids for gold bars on RDR2.

If you own your own platform, you don't need to rely on 3 other ageing DRM's outside of Steam. Rockstar were complacent right until the very end and it's resulted in their game having to be removed from sale. Just shows how neglectful they were of the PC platform.

Not even Microsoft rely on GFWL for their historic games

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You know why it get removed from steam right? Why should they removed it years ago while gfwl still can generate keys for the game until recently.

Yes I know why. The game still has 3 other DRM's in operation and it doesn't work properly on Windows 10 without some external modding and configuration. That's something Rockstar should update but they can't be arsed. Too busy milking kids for gold bars on RDR2.

If you own your own platform, you don't need to rely on 3 other ageing DRM's outside of Steam. Rockstar were complacent right until the very end and it's resulted in their game having to be removed from sale. Just shows how neglectful they were of the PC platform.

Not even Microsoft rely on GFWL for their historic games:lunar2019laughingpig:

Read again on what i said. GFWL CANT GENERATE KEYS anymore. Rockstar doesnt handle that part. There is no doubt the game will eventually return on steam again with gfwl removed just like other gfwl games on steam.

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GTA IV doesn't use Steam DRM, you can launch it without Steam running.

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Yes I know why. The game still has 3 other DRM's in operation and it doesn't work properly on Windows 10 without some external modding and configuration. That's something Rockstar should update but they can't be arsed. Too busy milking kids for gold bars on RDR2.

If you own your own platform, you don't need to rely on 3 other ageing DRM's outside of Steam. Rockstar were complacent right until the very end and it's resulted in their game having to be removed from sale. Just shows how neglectful they were of the PC platform.

Not even Microsoft rely on GFWL for their historic games

Read again on what i said. GFWL CANT GENERATE KEYS anymore. Rockstar doesnt handle that part. There is no doubt the game will eventually return on steam again with gfwl removed just like other gfwl games on steam.

I know and that's not my point. Rockstar could and should have withdrawn their product prior. The fact the game is now off-sale just shows that they weren't even anticipating such a thing or didn't plan accordingly. It should have been switched to the RSC exclusively when that platform was integrated into their range of products. They got complacent and now they are going to have to do what they should've done years ago.

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Read again on what i said. GFWL CANT GENERATE KEYS anymore. Rockstar doesnt handle that part. There is no doubt the game will eventually return on steam again with gfwl removed just like other gfwl games on steam.

I know and that's not my point. Rockstar could and should have withdrawn their product prior. The fact the game is now off-sale just shows that they weren't even anticipating such a thing or didn't plan accordingly. It should have been switched to the RSC exclusively when that platform was integrated into their range of products. They got complacent and now they are going to have to do what they should've done years ago.

Why should they spend more time on this old game. i rather they actually do some fixes for current active games they have right now. Where were these people years ago back when gtaiv still on sale? They had years to get the game, now they have to wait till rockstar removed gfwl. Very convenient for them to come out of their shell right now getting mad just for the sake of getting mad.

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I know and that's not my point. Rockstar could and should have withdrawn their product prior. The fact the game is now off-sale just shows that they weren't even anticipating such a thing or didn't plan accordingly. It should have been switched to the RSC exclusively when that platform was integrated into their range of products. They got complacent and now they are going to have to do what they should've done years ago.

Why should they spent more time on this for an old game

Just because a game is old doesn't mean the publishers can neglect it and still take the money. This is exactly my point.

They are only 'coming out of their shell now' because they know legally they can't sell something that can't be delivered. You've just proved my second point about them only coming out 'now'.

Publishers that still distribute their product for sale should be expected to support it regardless of its age and not come out of the woodwork when they are legally required to or when their SteamWorks API tells them their keys have dried up.

Rockstar have enough money to maintain and manage their entire ongoing catalogue. I don't know why people defend multi-billionaire companies like this. Their RDR2 port didn't exactly turn out too well either and perhaps if they put some effort in to the PC port, they wouldn't need to do any 'fixes' anyway.

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Why should they spent more time on this for an old game

Just because a game is old doesn't mean the publishers can neglect it and still take the money. This is exactly my point.

they took the money from people that managed to buy the game on steam before its removal, it means they did get the game and still can play it. whats the problem here again?

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They are only 'coming out of their shell now' because they know legally they can't sell something that can't be delivered. You've just proved my second point about them only coming out 'now'.

Publishers that still distribute their product for sale should be expected to support it regardless of its age and not come out of the woodwork when they are legally required to or when their SteamWorks API tells them their keys have dried up.

Rockstar have enough money to maintain and manage their entire ongoing catalogue. I don't know why people defend multi-billionaire companies like this. Their RDR2 port didn't exactly turn out too well either and perhaps if they put some effort in to the PC port, they wouldn't need to do any 'fixes' anyway.

"Grand Theft Auto 4 was originally created for the Games For Windows Live platform. With Microsoft no longer supporting Games For Windows Live, it is no longer possible to generate the additional keys needed to continue selling the current version of the game," a Rockstar rep said. "We are looking at other options for distributing GTA4 for PC and will share more information as soon as we can."

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Just because a game is old doesn't mean the publishers can neglect it and still take the money. This is exactly my point.

they took the money from people that managed to buy the game on steam before its removal, it means they did get the game and still can play it. whats the problem here again?

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They are only 'coming out of their shell now' because they know legally they can't sell something that can't be delivered. You've just proved my second point about them only coming out 'now'.

Publishers that still distribute their product for sale should be expected to support it regardless of its age and not come out of the woodwork when they are legally required to or when their SteamWorks API tells them their keys have dried up.

Rockstar have enough money to maintain and manage their entire ongoing catalogue. I don't know why people defend multi-billionaire companies like this. Their RDR2 port didn't exactly turn out too well either and perhaps if they put some effort in to the PC port, they wouldn't need to do any 'fixes' anyway.

"Grand Theft Auto 4 was originally created for the Games For Windows Live platform. With Microsoft no longer supporting Games For Windows Live, it is no longer possible to generate the additional keys needed to continue selling the current version of the game," a Rockstar rep said. "We are looking at other options for distributing GTA4 for PC and will share more information as soon as we can."

Now you're just getting confused. Also not sure why you are reposting the RockPaperShotgun statement.

Perhaps if you actually owned the game, you'd understand.

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they took the money from people that managed to buy the game on steam before its removal, it means they did get the game and still can play it. whats the problem here again?


"Grand Theft Auto 4 was originally created for the Games For Windows Live platform. With Microsoft no longer supporting Games For Windows Live, it is no longer possible to generate the additional keys needed to continue selling the current version of the game," a Rockstar rep said. "We are looking at other options for distributing GTA4 for PC and will share more information as soon as we can."

Now you're just getting confused. Also not sure why you are reposting the RockPaperShotgun statement.

Perhaps if you actually owned the game, you'd understand.

If you owned the game, you still can play it and you would have know it

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Now you're just getting confused. Also not sure why you are reposting the RockPaperShotgun statement.

Perhaps if you actually owned the game, you'd understand.

If you owned the game, you still can play it and you would have know it

Mouse icon next to my name. Highlight your mouse over it and then read what it says and get back to me....

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If you owned the game, you still can play it and you would have know it

Mouse icon next to my name. Highlight your mouse over it and then read what it says and get back to me....

why do i have to prove to you that i have the game? i dont and you can clearly see next to my name i dont have the game. i've played it on 360 back then and wasnt a fan. no reason to rebuy it on steam.
your keys are already assigned to your profile and wont magically deactivated by itself. gfwl software has always been finicky. i had my own experience with it from RE5, batman arkham asylum. I always required to get a different version of gfwl and not the one included with the game.

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Mouse icon next to my name. Highlight your mouse over it and then read what it says and get back to me....

why do i have to prove to you that i have the game? i dont and you can clearly see next to my name i dont have the game. i've played it on 360 back then and wasnt a fan. no reason to rebuy it on steam.
your keys are already assigned to your profile and wont magically deactivated by itself. gfwl software has always been finicky. i had my own experience with it from RE5, batman arkham asylum. I always required to get a different version of gfwl and not the one included with the game.

As I already said, I know you don't have the game. My point in this entire thread that you've missed completely is Rockstar should have integrated GTA IV into their RSC years ago and withdrawn it from GFWL. They also should have done a far better job of maintaining and supporting the game with their tens of billions so it is compatible right off the bat on newer versions of Windows. If a game is still being sold then this should be the standard and players shouldn't be expected to jump through hoops to get going.

If Rockstar weren't so neglectful then they wouldn't have been in a situation where their external keys required have dried up and the game taken off-sale. The product is a mess and falls below the standard that people should be expecting in terms of a PC port and this is down to old tat DRM and lousy support.