Tao Feedback

[RainbowofCarnage]

I like Tao's overall design but the human lips she has look a bit out of place when compared to the fact that every other character has a snout. Also I don't like the fact that her primary skill needs you to spend a certain amount of ammo to power it up. This makes her weapon choices way to limited plus it makes melee weapons which are supposed to be her specialty (lore wise) pretty much worthless. I know it might take more effort but it would be nice if instead each weapon type gave a different amount of charge per shot. For example Low rate of fire weapons would give more charge per shot while high rate of fire weapons would give less charge.

[Maggie]

Both her skills and her ascensions are focused on using rapid fire weapons, just like every other character has their preferred weapon category.

[Dekardi]

Originally posted by RainbowofCarnage:

I like Tao's overall design but the human lips she has look a bit out of place when compared to the fact that every other character has a snout. Also I don't like the fact that her primary skill needs you to spend a certain amount of ammo to power it up. This makes her weapon choices way to limited plus it makes melee weapons which are supposed to be her specialty (lore wise) pretty much worthless. I know it might take more effort but it would be nice if instead each weapon type gave a different amount of charge per shot. For example Low rate of fire weapons would give more charge per shot while high rate of fire weapons would give less charge.

the weapon choice point makes no sense as its limited for alot of chars
for example right click weapons on dog/ao bai are kinda useless so hes limited
do you also want new skills / rework for him? if no you see that the limited weapon thing is nonsense

and the face point has a thread already no need for thread spamm o nthe same point

[RainbowofCarnage]

Originally posted by Magnus:

Both her skills and her ascensions are focused on using rapid fire weapons, just like every other character has their preferred weapon category.

Cat's skill is always useful not matter the weapons you use same goes for Dog, Bird, and Tiger. Tao has only skill where you HAVE to use a certain type of weapon to get value out of it. Dog's dual wield is useful even if you don't get explosive weapon accessions. This is also true with Tiger and snipers you don't need them and the associated accessions to make his skill useful. Cat has no weapon required to use his skill unless you take the elemental orb upgrade. As for Bird he can use any weapons he wants to. He is not tied down to any category which is one of the reasons he is so easy to use.

So you are right that each character has a weapon type they can specialize in (except for bird) but fail to realize that none of them are forced to use those weapons to get value out of their skill except for Tao.

[RainbowofCarnage]

Originally posted by Dekardi:

Originally posted by RainbowofCarnage:

I like Tao's overall design but the human lips she has look a bit out of place when compared to the fact that every other character has a snout. Also I don't like the fact that her primary skill needs you to spend a certain amount of ammo to power it up. This makes her weapon choices way to limited plus it makes melee weapons which are supposed to be her specialty (lore wise) pretty much worthless. I know it might take more effort but it would be nice if instead each weapon type gave a different amount of charge per shot. For example Low rate of fire weapons would give more charge per shot while high rate of fire weapons would give less charge.

the weapon choice point makes no sense as its limited for alot of chars
for example right click weapons on dog/ao bai are kinda useless so hes limited
do you also want new skills / rework for him? if no you see that the limited weapon thing is nonsense

and the face point has a thread already no need for thread spamm o nthe same point

There are very few weapons that have alt fire know so that is not a good comparison. Not only that but when dog's skill is on its lengthy cooldown you can use alt fire all you want and that will have no bearing on the effectiveness of the skill.

[Dekardi]

Originally posted by RainbowofCarnage:

Originally posted by Dekardi:

the weapon choice point makes no sense as its limited for alot of chars
for example right click weapons on dog/ao bai are kinda useless so hes limited
do you also want new skills / rework for him? if no you see that the limited weapon thing is nonsense

and the face point has a thread already no need for thread spamm o nthe same point

There are very few weapons that have alt fire know so that is not a good comparison. Not only that but when dog's skill is on its lengthy cooldown you can use alt fire all you want and that will have no bearing on the effectiveness of the skill.

"very few" yeah can say the same very few limit tao now the argument is going nowhere
there are more then enough weapons with a right click function

and long cd? nah there are multiple accentions to make it longer to infinite when you have all 3

[Castile]

I think giving her higher recharge value on different ammo types is a reasonable suggestion, specially considering there's already a soul essence talent that essentially works the same way (ammo spent = secondary skill charge one)

That being said, I think she's fine without that change. She fits a niche the other characters don't, and she can can still function fine with low ROF weapons as the only things these affect are her main skill recharge and the "Empathy with sword " ascension. She can still stack swords and do decent damage on a low ROF weapon with some of her talents, ie Swordsman talent + Blade of Bloom + Sword Enthusiast. Even with one point of Blade of Bloom you can get a lot of swords out, and it's pretty spammable as well.

[Simp Slayer]

Just about every character has a preferred weapon though, and I absolutely love her playstyle. I always look for Against the flow + Hippo builds and she is literally made for it lol

[RainbowofCarnage]

Originally posted by Dekardi:

Originally posted by RainbowofCarnage:

There are very few weapons that have alt fire know so that is not a good comparison. Not only that but when dog's skill is on its lengthy cooldown you can use alt fire all you want and that will have no bearing on the effectiveness of the skill.

"very few" yeah can say the same very few limit tao now the argument is going nowhere
there are more then enough weapons with a right click function

and long cd? nah there are multiple accentions to make it longer to infinite when you have all 3

9 weapons have alt fires you cant use but you can still use the weapons during dual wield so so still not really the same thing. Crimson fire scale is still good on Dog even without its alt fire which you can expend anyway after you finish dual wielding. Also Maybe I am just really unlucky but I have never manged to get infinite dual wield.

The real problem with what you are saying is that you are comparing the wrong thing. There are weapons dog cant dual wield and that would be the fair comparison. But even with those factored in he can sill use 39 of the 46 weapons effectively. Where as Tao can only use 17 of the 46 weapons effectively with her skill the way it works now.

[Dekardi]

Originally posted by RainbowofCarnage:

Originally posted by Dekardi:

"very few" yeah can say the same very few limit tao now the argument is going nowhere
there are more then enough weapons with a right click function

and long cd? nah there are multiple accentions to make it longer to infinite when you have all 3

9 weapons have alt fires you cant use but you can still use the weapons during dual wield so so still not really the same thing. Crimson fire scale is still good on Dog even without its alt fire which you can expend anyway after you finish dual wielding. Also Maybe I am just really unlucky but I have never manged to get infinite dual wield.

The real problem with what you are saying is that you are comparing the wrong thing. There are weapons dog cant dual wield and that would be the fair comparison. But even with those factored in he can sill use 39 of the 46 weapons effectively. Where as Tao can only use 17 of the 46 weapons effectively with her skill the way it works now.

9? i counted 17 in like 20-30 seconds maybe missed one xd get your facts straight if you wanna be an entitled kid

if you can play the dog without altfire (your not wrong with that) but you can also play rabbit without a perfect weapon too
and no im not comparing the wrong thing ur argument just makes no sense
and tao can use more then 17

if we look for only fitting we could do that with other chars too and so on but yeah its more then 9 weapons get your facts straight next time if you wanna bring it as an "argument"

[RainbowofCarnage]

Originally posted by Dekardi:

Originally posted by RainbowofCarnage:

9 weapons have alt fires you cant use but you can still use the weapons during dual wield so so still not really the same thing. Crimson fire scale is still good on Dog even without its alt fire which you can expend anyway after you finish dual wielding. Also Maybe I am just really unlucky but I have never manged to get infinite dual wield.

The real problem with what you are saying is that you are comparing the wrong thing. There are weapons dog cant dual wield and that would be the fair comparison. But even with those factored in he can sill use 39 of the 46 weapons effectively. Where as Tao can only use 17 of the 46 weapons effectively with her skill the way it works now.

9? i counted 17 in like 20-30 seconds maybe missed one xd get your facts straight if you wanna be an entitled kid

if you can play the dog without altfire (your not wrong with that) but you can also play rabbit without a perfect weapon too
and no im not comparing the wrong thing ur argument just makes no sense
and tao can use more then 17

if we look for only fitting we could do that with other chars too and so on but yeah its more then 9 weapons get your facts straight next time if you wanna bring it as an "argument"

Let's try this one more time from the top. Dog's dual wield IS NOT made worse when using weapons with alt fire. It is still 100% as effective when using those weapons. On the other hand Rabbit's skill IS made worse when using weapons that do not have really high ROF. Do you understand the difference now?

Also none of what I have said is me being entitled I am just making a point.

[Dekardi]

Originally posted by RainbowofCarnage:

Originally posted by Dekardi:

9? i counted 17 in like 20-30 seconds maybe missed one xd get your facts straight if you wanna be an entitled kid

if you can play the dog without altfire (your not wrong with that) but you can also play rabbit without a perfect weapon too
and no im not comparing the wrong thing ur argument just makes no sense
and tao can use more then 17

if we look for only fitting we could do that with other chars too and so on but yeah its more then 9 weapons get your facts straight next time if you wanna bring it as an "argument"

Let's try this one more time from the top. Dog's dual wield IS NOT made worse when using weapons with alt fire. It is still 100% as effective when using those weapons. On the other hand Rabbit's skill IS made worse when using weapons that do not have really high ROF. Do you understand the difference now?

Also none of what I have said is me being entitled I am just making a point.

yes lets delete 50% of a weapon not made worse

not like some get a dmg boost while zooming and other things

did you ever read the nonsense you type?

i mean what can i expect from someone who doesnt even know all weapons with right click option i mean you just said 9 when its 17 or so xd so i shouldnt expect much and just ignore you from now on

also just to state the obvious the char isnt even out for a day and you asking for a rework xd

[ToasterLlama]

Originally posted by Dekardi:

Originally posted by RainbowofCarnage:

Let's try this one more time from the top. Dog's dual wield IS NOT made worse when using weapons with alt fire. It is still 100% as effective when using those weapons. On the other hand Rabbit's skill IS made worse when using weapons that do not have really high ROF. Do you understand the difference now?

Also none of what I have said is me being entitled I am just making a point.

yes lets delete 50% of a weapon not made worse

not like some get a dmg boost while zooming and other things

did you ever read the nonsense you type?

i mean what can i expect from someone who doesnt even know all weapons with right click option i mean you just said 9 when its 17 or so xd so i shouldnt expect much and just ignore you from now on

also just to state the obvious the char isnt even out for a day and you asking for a rework xd

no no, he's saying that not having the alt fire doesn't make DOG's ABILITY worse, not that it doesn't make the weapon itself worse

[Dradgit]

This would be nice, but I don't think Tao is weak with swords and other slow-fire weapons at all. Her Swords Out ability might be strongest when you can quickly build it with a rapid fire weapon, but if you get the right build having less stacks doesn't matter or you won't even need to use Swords Out because Blade of Bloom is stronger. Ammo Extractor even has the ability to stack Heart Sword per kill on marked enemies at level 3, so I feel like you're selling the character short.

[Bunston]

My last run I stacked Sword Shadow (extra blades per stack), Luminous Heart (higher starting stack), and Epic Swordcraft (higher base damage) multiple times and just spammed Swords Out on cooldown. I've found that by the time I have maxed stacks I could have just used the ability twice anyway.

[RainbowofCarnage]

Originally posted by ToasterLlama:

Originally posted by Dekardi:

yes lets delete 50% of a weapon not made worse

not like some get a dmg boost while zooming and other things

did you ever read the nonsense you type?

i mean what can i expect from someone who doesnt even know all weapons with right click option i mean you just said 9 when its 17 or so xd so i shouldnt expect much and just ignore you from now on

also just to state the obvious the char isnt even out for a day and you asking for a rework xd

no no, he's saying that not having the alt fire doesn't make DOG's ABILITY worse, not that it doesn't make the weapon itself worse

I am so glad that there are people like you who understand this. Thank you.