When I realized this I stopped feeling so bad for Max

[VerminatorX]

He killed Winterson. She had a blind son.

Of course she was in relationship with Vlad, the mobster and Inner Circle member.

But Max was in relationship with Mona, also member of inner Circle, making him and Winterson equally scumbaggy.

And let`s not forget only thanks to Inner Circle Max isn`t serving a life sentence.


Max "booho mah family ded" Payne orphaned a blind kid.

A blind

♥♥♥♥ing

kid.


Let that sink.

[NickGFX]

I mean, it's always been evident that Max doesn't handle tragedy well. He's been a whisky-breathed, grizzled, hard boiled gruff motherf**ker with an itchy trigger finger since MP1, but before the death of his wife and child he was on some after school special sh*t, happy and content and smiley. I mean, seeing your wife and kid murdered has got to be tough, but jeez, man, go see a counselor and get some therapy or something, you baby.

[VerminatorX]

I mean I kinda get his point, he constantly blames himself if he was with his family he could save them, but he was just few seconds too late.

I also knew he was an anti-hero, but orphaning a blind kid is kinda too much. That just expresses that even Max did very bad things despite good intentions.

[Phil khajeets]

♥♥♥♥ winterson worthless corrupted ♥♥♥♥.
I don't know If you play this game with your a nu s on your keyboard but the point of max payne is not being good guy or a hero/no good intentions It's about revenge and bringing chaos because he already lost everything in life.
Death and destruction are the only things that keeps him in life and also mona since she is the only one who can relate to his situation and not get killed after seing max.

[MasterCommentator]

I probably didnt pay attention, but when was it mentioned Winterson had a blind son?

[VerminatorX]

Originally posted by Julius Qua:

♥♥♥♥ winterson worthless corrupted ♥♥♥♥.
I don't know If you play this game with your a nu s on your keyboard but the point of max payne is not being good guy or a hero/no good intentions It's about revenge and bringing chaos because he already lost everything in life.
Death and destruction are the only things that keeps him in life and also mona since she is the only one who can relate to his situation and not get killed after seing max.

I don`t know if you played this game with dad`s butt on your face, but Payne has avoided life sentece thanks to Inner Circle connections, and worked with killer for hire, that makes him kinda equally scumbaggy to Winterson.

@MasterCommentator - Max Payne related wikipedias mention it, also on some gamefaq`s discussion people mentioned it

http://maxpayne.wikia.com/wiki/Max_Payne_2:_The_Fall_of_Max_Payne

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/958970-max-payne-3/65152464

IDK though is there any confirmation for this in game, besides Brooklyn School for the Blind ads.

[lastride]

I agree with your point OP. I had the same feelings

[MasterManiac]

And I stopped feeling so bad for Winterson when I realized that she was willing to forsake her sworn oath to the public by acting as a hitman for a crime boss just because he made her feel like a princess. If you want to feel bad for someone, feel bad for her kid - because SHE'S the one who made the terrible life decisions that left him motherless.

[--SpeciaL]

YES

[Rin D. Pryde]

Originally posted by VerminatorX:

@MasterCommentator - Max Payne related wikipedias mention it, also on some gamefaq`s discussion people mentioned it

IDK though is there any confirmation for this in game, besides Brooklyn School for the Blind ads.

So, basically, nothing more than a fan-fiction? Now that's solid facts xD

[MasterManiac]

She's got a poster for the Brooklyn School for the Blind right next to her kid's drawing of a heart with the word "Mom" written in it. The implication is pretty clear, without needlessly and explicitly saying it right in your face. Now, maybe she's got a relative who's blind. Maybe one of her parents. Maybe a sister or a brother, or even just a friend. But the hard-boiled renegade detective in me says that Winterson's kid is, sadly, not possessed of the power of sight.

[Max]

You do realise there's a reason why he's called an anti-hero, right.

Hell, in MP1, Max repeatedly states that he's not a 'hero'. He was aware that what he was doing was wrong and selfish.

He's basically a noir Punisher.

[MasterManiac]

Nothing wrong about icing drug pushers who're making a killing off people dying. Even if it is for selfish reasons. Even if it is mostly personal.

I don't recall Max thinking he was doing the wrong thing - just that he might have been going about it the wrong way. And remember when he found the evidence against Horne, when he realized he was vindicated more than he ever wanted to be. MP3's Max doesn't count. That was Rockstar-authored fanfic trash character assassination.

I never got this love fest with the notion of the so-called "anti-hero." It's a childish concept that rarely applies to anything effectively. Whether or not Max is a stereotypical "hero" (a largely useless term) is irrelevant next to the fact that, as a character, he mostly tries to do the right thing, even if he never quite gets it right. Letting himself and Mona be shot by a bent cop wouldn't have been the right thing. Letting Horne get away with murder wouldn't have been the right thing. And so on and so forth.

Of course, we all know he was only suspicious about Winterson. That it was his gut instinct talking. He hadn't yet found the hard evidence that she was crooked. Max killed her to help Mona, because that's what was in his heart to do. But I don't think he would have on that feeling alone. He believed Mona's accusation was true. I'm certain that's what tipped him over the edge.

[neonfatum]

Max lost his family thanks to the Inner Circle to begin with, so being released from custody after MP1 was the least Alex Woden could do for him and he knew it.
The kid is just victim of circumstance, just as Max was. It's sad, but why should it be worse than losing your wife and kid? Sadness is what Max Payne is all about.
It's a morally grey series from start to finish, there's no real right or wrong at any point, just a lot of independent people acting based on their feelings and convictions.

[ELiN0R]

Most of you did not pay attention to the story then talk nonsense.

Mona was part of the Inner circle but only because she wanted to take her own revenge on the killer of her twin sister, Lisa. Max and Mona has very similar fate, their loved ones were killed and they wanted to take their revenge.
Winterson was a crook. She knew about Vlad and all his plans and we can safely assume that Vlad got this far because Winterson was covering.

OP you are whining about a blind kid but don't care about a mother and a few months old baby? Okay, you got some weird view on things.

Consuelors or therapist will not avenge the unjustified death of your loved ones and they are all useless greedy fukcers. NickGFX I'm 100% sure you are american since all of you think of therapists are like some kinda wizards and take away your pain, and you all think that life and emotions can be taught in universities. The loss of a loved one is an emotional trauma that can not be solved with textbook methods. Human emotions are not like machineries that can be easily repaired or replaced with spare parts. It was not all about just the trauma of Max anyway.
You are calling Max a baby who was brave enough to face his fears and take revenge, eradicate the key players in corruption? Just wow. You got some weird views too.
Also, why do you call him "whiskey-breathed" since MP1? Nothing indicates that Max has any kind of addiction up until Max Payne 3 (which is not considered canon). Max was sober all along, maybe he had drinks on occasion but he was not an alcoholic, this is just some made up turd.

Originally posted by Maxlav:

Hell, in MP1, Max repeatedly states that he's not a 'hero'. He was aware that what he was doing was wrong and selfish.

Care to quote some? He never says that he is wrong and selfish, because he isn't. He just feels guilty for killing all those people along his way, even if they were all just criminals. He also feels bad for working with Mona, against the cops favor. However Max did a huge favor for America, maybe for the entire world by killing Horne, because she was about to do some global-scale ♥♥♥♥, not to mention what could have happened if Vlad becomes more powerful with Winterson's help.

What most of you fail to understand is this game was not about Max, his feelings or the tragedy of his family, it was about a mob war, drug war and the war of corruption. The whole authority was rotten to the core.

Originally posted by VerminatorX:

I also knew he was an anti-hero, but orphaning a blind kid is kinda too much. That just expresses that even Max did very bad things despite good intentions.

Winterson might be responsible for who knows how many deaths by supporting Vlad (this including killing people who might have kids).
Yeah, let's just mourn a blind kid's mom who helped the criminal boss to power
Obviously a blind kid's well-being is much more important than the fate of american people, and the death of a mother and a few months old baby does not count as horrible as the orphnage of a blind kid

You all should play the game again and actually pay attention to the story. If all you can see is a broken man's revenge, then you did not understand ♥♥♥♥♥.

[VerminatorX]

Originally posted by ♓PATRiZZA 🍕 VAMPiZZA♓:

hurr durr everyone is stupid and do not pay attention i am very smart and my interpretation of max payne is the only one correct and just and ♥♥♥♥ you all pleb.

Edgy.

Originally posted by ♓PATRiZZA 🍕 VAMPiZZA♓:

What most of you fail to understand is this game was not about Max, his feelings or the tragedy of his family, it was about a mob war, drug war and the war of corruption. The whole authority was rotten to the core.

Max Payne, his feelings and his revenge is ALL MP1 and MP2 games are about. He does not give a half ♥♥♥♥ about mobsters, drugs and corruption. The second game is even called "Noir love story". It's about his feelings for Mona, and their fates that reflect each other to fair extent. Mob war was a plot device to set up circumstances, and Payne joined Gognitti side out of desperation to oppose Vlad. There was nothing heroic in this. And war with corruption being center of these plots is just straight up brainfart. There is no any story arc about drugs in MP2 iirc.

https://youtu.be/-_RrJPX3E78?t=17m51s

here Max is saying there is nothing heroic in his actions. He even was going to shoot surrendering Gognitti, but the gun was empty. But, I guess you missed that in your thorough expertise.