how can i build multiple units at a time?

[Snoot Boops]

don't focus to much on the title. just spam left click ta-da.....

but more to the point, i can build 2 barracks or 2 war factories and my tanks only come out 1 at a time from only 1 of the factories or barracks, which ever was built last or whichever i've given priority to. i've seen others online do it before but i can't so what gives?

[Cat]

You cannot build multiple units from multiple factories at the same time if they are the same type. Building additional production buildings only increases the build speed for that type of unit (or structure if it's a construction yard).

Only the computer have separate build queues for each production facilities and they don't get the speed bonus.

[YouWin]

Can someone confirm if having multiple construction yards allows you to build multiple buildings at the same time?

[Nyerguds]

Originally posted by thelastsamurai42:

Can someone confirm if having multiple construction yards allows you to build multiple buildings at the same time?

It doesn't. The sidebar system itself does not have any way to support multiple build queues of the same construction type. Like with unit factories, owning multiple construction yards simply speeds up the build process with a factor equal to the amount of factories of that type that you own.

Do note that the AI does have separate build queues for its factory buildings, so you will see AIs with multiple factories produce units / rebuild structures using several factories simultaneously. But they don't get the build speed boost per factory.

Originally posted by ＯＮＹＸ:

i've seen others online do it before but i can't so what gives?

When production speed is increased so much that the next unit is ready before the previous one has fully emerged from the factory, a different factory will automatically be used as exit point for that unit. So at that point you might see two units come out of two factories. But it's still not parallel; those two were built one after the other.

[Clone303]

i dont know if it works like Red Alert 2 but if you build alot of barracks or war factories like 10, you can build insane fast but it can be it's own a thing in Red Alert 2

[Nyerguds]

Not sure how it works in RA2; I believe TS didn't have those speed bonuses anymore though.

[UnBlessed]

Well, if AI has more than 1 CY, AI can build 2 or more (depend on how many CY AI got) in Red Alert 2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_4OKDvHlMU

Then if let AI can train too many MCV, you'll see AI build lots adv power plant at a time.
This happened before, I remember that time I destroyed all AI's adv power plant, then suddenly, I saw 7 or 8 adv power plant built in AI's base.

If you play Mujalli mod, you'll see AI can build 2 building at same time sometimes, because AI knows training MCV.
AI-Boost mod changed setting, so AI can't build 2 or more building at a time.

[Snoot Boops]

or its most likely they're using a cheat menu.

I just played my first online game in over a year and it made me realize why i don't play this online anymore. i just watched this one guy build 7 war factories in 2 seconds all the way into our base and the proceed to dump out hundreds of harvesters from those war factories to lag the game down for everyone before setting up a barracks next to my yard and then decided to dump out hundreds of engineers in a second to take over every one else's base.

[Nyerguds]

Cheats don't work in online games; the server is the only one really playing the game. Players just send it input and receive output. Nothing you can change in your game locally can influence the gameplay on the server.

When in doubt, just check the replay. You probably let your opponent tech up for way too long, giving them the chance to build multiple MCVs and a really strong economy. And once you got that, yes, you can legitimately do stuff like that.

[Snoot Boops]

Originally posted by Nyerguds:

Cheats don't work in online games; the server is the only one really playing the game. Players just send it input and receive output. Nothing you can change in your game locally can influence the gameplay on the server.

When in doubt, just check the replay. You probably let your opponent tech up for way too long, giving them the chance to build multiple MCVs and a really strong economy. And once you got that, yes, you can legitimately do stuff like that.

its funny you say this when i looked it up online after i did a quick test in a skirmish match against an easy ai. i had 12 construction yards and no matter how many more i built, i wasn't able to instantly build nor reduce the time on a war factory past 24 seconds build time. this kid built 7 war factories in less than 3 seconds and had hundreds of harvesters spewing out of them instantly and you're telling me and everyone else here, that is legitimate? hahahahaha. you must really think everyone is stupid or something. the match was only 3 minutes in to top it all off.

after i tested this in a skirmish because that's what i also thought, you can easily do those things with wemod is what i found out with a quick google search. and since this game doesn't have any sort of anti cheat systems in place anyone can do it. guess i'll just stick to playing single player and my 1v8 skirmishes since its become popular to cheat in every single game every stupid kid touches these days and developers don't do ♥♥♥♥ about it.

and here i thought my childhood game was safe from cheaters. guess i was wrong about that. the flood of cheaters from csgo has spread even into this game.

[Snoot Boops]

Originally posted by Nyerguds:

Cheats don't work in online games; the server is the only one really playing the game. Players just send it input and receive output. Nothing you can change in your game locally can influence the gameplay on the server.

When in doubt, just check the replay. You probably let your opponent tech up for way too long, giving them the chance to build multiple MCVs and a really strong economy. And once you got that, yes, you can legitimately do stuff like that.

i just ran a second test with the best case scenarios given.

turkey - 10% reduction to build times
i had 36 construction yards
i had 20 war factories

time to build 1 war factory with 36 construction yards only gave me a build time of 22 seconds. the same as having 2 construction yards.

time to build 1 harvester/ore truck with 20 war factories is 16 seconds. the same as having 2 war factories.

these times were never reduced beyond building 2 of any structure. the times remained consistent throughout the entire building and setup phase after isolating the ai to give me the time to setup and build. for me to setup, isolate and build all of this was approximately 30 to 45 minutes. he was able to build from one side of the map to the other instantaneously and wait before attacking when we seen his ♥♥♥♥ outside the corridor when i went to go scout since no one else on the team did. he did this in a period of 3 minutes to 5 minutes tops.

this kid was using russia as their team. he had hundreds of v2 rocket tanks outside of our bases and filled our entire base with war factories and pumped out hundreds of harvesters in less than 3 seconds in the area of our base he scouted with an engineer that walked through at least 90 infantry units without so much as a single shot being fired at them. and you are really saying that cheats in this game is impossible? i don't believe it for a second.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2964952958

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2964961598

these screenshots were taken on the exact map he was using his cheats on.

i have tested this theory that you claimed would speed up construction and build times to be "instant" based on the number of yards and factories. 20 factories and 36 yards made no difference after 2 of each said structure and units that i witnessed first hand being built and produced within our side of the map. even when i was dead and spectating the map and scrolling around, he only had 5 yards and about the same amount of war factories spread across the map from left to right that i put into my test scenario.

this completely disproves without a doubt, your claim that it's possible to "build instantly" and "legitimate" in that way without cheats. this test fully proves that you can use cheat software online in this game. which is more than likely the reason why this game online is dead and no one plays it online anymore.

[YouWin]

Fastest build times are when either aftermath units are turned off or the tech level is taken low enough that there are no aftermath units (i think tech level 6 or 7).

Under those conditions, having X number of war factories makes you build units X times faster. For example, having 5 war factories would make your build times 5 times faster. Once you add aftermath, your build time doesn't increase after you build 2 war factories.

Information of build times is here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/commandandconquer/comments/haqcir/a_list_of_how_having_multiple_war_factories_or/

So, yes. With enough factories, you can build units in 1 second. At that level, money becomes the limiting factor.

[Snoot Boops]

Originally posted by thelastsamurai42:

Fastest build times are when either aftermath units are turned off or the tech level is taken low enough that there are no aftermath units (i think tech level 6 or 7).

Under those conditions, having X number of war factories makes you build units X times faster. For example, having 5 war factories would make your build times 5 times faster. Once you add aftermath, your build time doesn't increase after you build 2 war factories.

Information of build times is here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/commandandconquer/comments/haqcir/a_list_of_how_having_multiple_war_factories_or/

So, yes. With enough factories, you can build units in 1 second. At that level, money becomes the limiting factor.

the times posted in that link or the spreadsheet in that link don't include harvester build times nor does it include building construction times. war factories were being built faster than you could blink. he had 7 of them up in less than 3 seconds. so lets even pretend you could build a war factory in .99ms and have it placed in .1ms for a total time of 1 full second it would take 3 seconds to place 3 buildings consecutively. in that same time he had 7 placed and had hundreds of harvesters coming out of only those war factories and none in his base which had 4 war factories in his starting location. the math aint adding up no matter how you defend the cheating.

[Snoot Boops]

i find it odd that my topic went from asking a simple question on how to do something and if it were possible to playing a game online and finding hard proof cheating is in this game and people defending it and pretending it's possible to be legit when i have screenshots from the game and the build times for the war factory with 36 yards and the build times for the harvesters with 20 factories. the proof is there.

i even ran a second test taking the above comments into consideration and putting them in the best case scenario for success and wasn't able to pull off instant construction or build times or even anything similarly close to what i witnessed someone doing.

[Cat]

Aftermath mode caps the build speed at 2 factories lol. Building a 4x5 placement of factory doesn't make production any faster than 2. Saw the Demo Truck and Chrono tank in the sidebar and immediately know this whole experiment is pointless.

[Snoot Boops]

Originally posted by Cat:

Aftermath mode caps the build speed at 2 factories lol. Building a 4x5 placement of factory doesn't make production any faster than 2. Saw the Demo Truck and Chrono tank in the sidebar and immediately know this whole experiment is pointless.

i cant turn it off as its part of the ra remastered collection. i literally booted up the game and chose red alert, went into multiplayer and picked 1 of 2 rooms open. which is the exact same version everyone else of the game was using when i was playing online. so it proves without doubt that the person was cheating since everything everyone has said so far has said it doesn't increase build times beyond 2 of any structure that produces anything when someone else here said its not possible. so what exactly was pointless about proving them wrong that cheaters are in this game?