(Spoilers) Is RA Canon to the Tiberium games?

[Blarg]

So, I think most of us know that Kane appears in the Soviet campaign in Red Alert, and that RA was originally trying to be a prequel to TD but then this idea was scrapped and RA became its own thing.

But I'm wondering, was the idea continued into the Tiberium games themselves?

Obviously when TD came out Red Alert hadn't been thought of yet, so there's no reference there.

But is there any mention anywhere of Red Alert in Tiberian Sun, 3 or 4?

So what I'm asking is... is Red Alert still to be considered as history in the Tiberium universe or not?

[Meat Miracle]

Westwood wanted to patch the continuity hole between RA1 -> RA2 in one of their future Tiberium games but EA killed them before this happened. Nod was supposed to have psychic tech in one of the future games (edit: it was in their original concept of C&C3, and EA chose to not use this plot line), and Yuri was meant to be an acolyte of Kane; at some point they accidentally activate a RA1-era Chronosphere, and Yuri is sent back in time. This leads to RA2.
The RA2 installer even states that "ever since Yuri became Romanovs chief advisor, relationship with the Soviets have deteriorated".

RA1 soviet ending leading to C&C is a fan theory, and does not make much sense. If Nod controls Europe and the Soviet Union, then the United Nations would be limited mostly to the Americas (most parts of Asia is either a communist state or an extension of the European colonial empires), they couldn't possibly have a foothold big enough in Europe for the events of C&C, and they'd be less likely to have Mammoth Tank tech.

[The_Pastmaster]

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Just because we don't see him in the Allied campaign doesn't mean he doesn't exist. Even in the Soviet campaign we only see glimpses of him, he doesn't want to draw attention to himself.

and this is where ppl are hard split due to not accepting the fact that only 1 campaign is canon. meaning only 1 ever took place unlike other games where both happens. and the one that took place is the one that carries the story over.

due to this complication has ppl where they are now, ppl trying desperetly to connect every campaign into a weird convicluded fan made timeline that some ppl do consider it fact and refuse to be talked otherwise.

Events in both campaigns are canonical but the allies won the war, which is the canonical ending of Red Alert 1. After that the timeline splits.

[Ginsu]

To actually answer the OP, there is an Easter Egg of a framed photograph of Soviet Era vehicles in a building in CNC Renegade. That's about it.

RA was intended to be a prequel, but they decided to make their own universe. Fans PRETEND it's still a prequel, and say the Allied victory leads to CNC... but whatever you decide to think, the Soviet Era and 'WW2' of RA is long forgotten by 1999.

I think the more striking of changes is the jump from CNC 1 to CNC 2 (Tiberium Sun) where both factions have changed so much that they no longer reflect the conventional modern armies of the era they were based on... CNC3 made it right though IMO

[cl656]

the answer is Yes and No.
From what I understand, they originally wanted to connect the two titles into a single canon in RA. But at some point, the decision was made to scrap the idea, and RA and TS were made two separate universes.

[Cat]

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Kane doesn't exist in the Allied campaign, which is the Red Alert canon.

Late reply, but Kane is shown standing next to Stalin when he is giving a speech in RA in an Allied cutscene, while the Allied Greek missions mention tentative discussions over the formation of what would be GDI.

Yes, Nadia was even talked about during that allied cutscene, and I can believe the tentative discussion about forming GDI could be Westwood's intention to link RA with Tiberian saga. But since Red Alert 2 is based on the Allied campaign being canon and they decided to make RA2 a separate story from Tiberian, I guess it didn't work out as they originally planned. And if that bald guy standing next to Stalin in the Allied cutscene is indeed Kane, then he's probably somewhere in hiding during the RA sequels, Nadia too if Kane decided not to silence her like he did in the Soviet ending.

And the talk about possible formation of a certain "global defense agency" is not surprising in the Allies campaign. Assuming Westwood planned to make TD a sequel to soviet campaign, the domination of Soviets is what led to the creation of GDI. Since the people in the Allies and Soviet campaign are the same (only the war outcome is different). when Soviet took over Greece in allies campaign, the UN is considering to establish GDI like they did if Soviets won the war (soviet campaign), because they're the same people, only different campaign.

But I wouldn't think about the lore too hard. They can just change the direction of the story in the last minute. For all we know, the Kane and Nadia in the Allies campaign cutscene might have been retconned to be some random communist officials with no ties to Nod when Westwood decided to scrap the link between tiberian and red alert universe.

[Lord Malachite]

Seems like it would be nice if a new C&C game gave us a true prequel to Tiberian Dawn. Instead of the whole Red Alert scenario, what if we got to play through a version of WWII that has Kane working behind the scenes with the Brotherhood, manipulating both the Allies and the Axis? We could find camps and equipment with the Nod logo on it to lead the breadcrumbs to Tiberian Dawn down the road. I'd buy it anyway.

[Nightwolfnl]

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Instead of the whole Red Alert scenario, what if we got to play through a version of WWII that has Kane working behind the scenes with the Brotherhood, manipulating both the Allies and the Axis?

For what purpose? It wouldn't make any sense.

[Nero]

The decision to split the universe came after TS with RA2. So yes, RA is the prequel to TD.

Funny thing is, with the time traveling in Yuri's Revenge, RA2 never happened.

I believe that Renegade and Renegade 2 support RA being a prequel but I remember no details. R2 played between RA and TD thou.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlNObaesb2s