(Spoilers) Is RA Canon to the Tiberium games?

[Blarg]

So, I think most of us know that Kane appears in the Soviet campaign in Red Alert, and that RA was originally trying to be a prequel to TD but then this idea was scrapped and RA became its own thing.

But I'm wondering, was the idea continued into the Tiberium games themselves?

Obviously when TD came out Red Alert hadn't been thought of yet, so there's no reference there.

But is there any mention anywhere of Red Alert in Tiberian Sun, 3 or 4?

So what I'm asking is... is Red Alert still to be considered as history in the Tiberium universe or not?

[Madrox8]

no there is no mention to any events of the red alert games in any of the tiberium games, the soviet campaign is uncanon and there was a small call out to the workings for GDI in the allied campaign but outside that no other red alert game has a connection to the tiberium universe

aparently westwood did try to connect the 2 again with renegade 2 but that game was cancled, you can still find some screenshots scattered around the internet if you search it

[thebiomage]

Even if the two series are not connected, I still like to think of Kane's appearance in the original RA as more than just an easter egg. We know Kane has existed on the planet for a very long time, and even with Einstein altering the timeline he'd still be around. He saw the Soviet rise as an opportunity to further his goals, something that didn't happen in the original unaltered timeline that lead to TD. With the canonical Allied victory he goes back into the shadows to bide his time.

One could assume the tiberium meteor would still be heading for earth even in the RA universe, the timeline just hasn't gotten far enough for it to appear yet. So RA would lead to a wildly different version of TD due to all the time travel changing the world history and creating new technology like the chronosphere.

[Cat]

Kane doesn't exist in the Allied campaign, which is the Red Alert canon.

[thebiomage]

Originally posted by Cat:

Kane doesn't exist in the Allied campaign, which is the Red Alert canon.

Just because we don't see him in the Allied campaign doesn't mean he doesn't exist. Even in the Soviet campaign we only see glimpses of him, he doesn't want to draw attention to himself.

[Madrox8]

Originally posted by thebiomage:

Originally posted by Cat:

Kane doesn't exist in the Allied campaign, which is the Red Alert canon.

Just because we don't see him in the Allied campaign doesn't mean he doesn't exist. Even in the Soviet campaign we only see glimpses of him, he doesn't want to draw attention to himself.

and this is where ppl are hard split due to not accepting the fact that only 1 campaign is canon. meaning only 1 ever took place unlike other games where both happens. and the one that took place is the one that carries the story over.

due to this complication has ppl where they are now, ppl trying desperetly to connect every campaign into a weird convicluded fan made timeline that some ppl do consider it fact and refuse to be talked otherwise.

[NovaPrime1985]

Originally posted by Cat:

Kane doesn't exist in the Allied campaign, which is the Red Alert canon.

by that logic, stavros, tanya & that other mission briefing guy dont exist the soviet campaign then.

[NovaPrime1985]

depends on who you ask, the Allied Campaign has a clear cut tell to it in one of the cutscenes that the UN was proposing the establishment of a Global Defense force.

but, Westwood kinda screwed the pooch on linking the 2.

[Madrox8]

Originally posted by NovaPrime1985:

depends on who you ask, the Allied Campaign has a clear cut tell to it in one of the cutscenes that the UN was proposing the establishment of a Global Defense force.

but, Westwood kinda screwed the pooch on linking the 2.

that is something i already mentioned in my first post, red alert just has to many plot holes to fit with the tiberium universe and as i pointed out again ppl have a hard time to beleive only 1 campaign truely exist, not many C&Cs have all campaigns being canon

as for the other comment you made, stavros isnt canon within the soviet campaign but tanya was, she was in the interior mission and dies to the flame towers you summon by reaching the control towers and dies, you never see her again in the campaign afterwards

[NovaPrime1985]

Originally posted by Madrox8:

Originally posted by NovaPrime1985:

depends on who you ask, the Allied Campaign has a clear cut tell to it in one of the cutscenes that the UN was proposing the establishment of a Global Defense force.

but, Westwood kinda screwed the pooch on linking the 2.

that is something i already mentioned in my first post, red alert just has to many plot holes to fit with the tiberium universe and as i pointed out again ppl have a hard time to beleive only 1 campaign truely exist, not many C&Cs have all campaigns being canon

as for the other comment you made, stavros isnt canon within the soviet campaign but tanya was, she was in the interior mission and dies to the flame towers you summon by reaching the control towers and dies, you never see her again in the campaign afterwards

it was just a "slight" regarding what he was saying about Kane not existing, despite the implication of GDI being there.

[Cat]

The Soviet campaign in Red Alert was made after Tiberian Dawn as a prequel to TD (or at least that's their original plan) meaning westwood did intent to make it canon although they didn't explore more on this in the sequels because the idea was scrapped. Even if they rejected this idea, the original creators themselves did accept that this would be the prequel to TD.

But I don't think Kane and Nod was involved in Red Alert 2. I mean Westwood's original plan was to link the tiberian and red alert story together but Red Alert 2 (which doesn't have Kane) was an afterthought after they cut the idea.

Originally posted by NovaPrime1985:

Originally posted by Cat:

Kane doesn't exist in the Allied campaign, which is the Red Alert canon.

by that logic, stavros, tanya & that other mission briefing guy dont exist the soviet campaign then.

Tanya did appear in the Soviet campaign (and several expansion missions). Starvos appears in Soviet Counterstrike and mentioned in Soviet Aftermath..

[Jules]

But so long as Looby Loo exists in the Andy Pandy Universe, I am happy

[Lafettie]

RA Allies is the RA cannon Story which leads to RA2 etc. Soviet Campaign leads to the downfall of the Soviets etc. which leads to Kane taking over the Countries under his Flag of NOD which is Tiberíum canon.Theres also a Video explaining it pretty good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHAgZ-HfhSU and the long version https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmP__MTS8PQ&t=28s

[Meat Miracle]

The "bad guy" endings are never canon in any of the c&c games, except c&c3 where all 3 campaigns coexist in the same story.

RA leads directly to C&C1. One of the cutscenes mention the UN calling for the creation of a global defence force. The lore is that the UN/Allies occupies Russia, gets some of their tech (like the Mammoth Tank) and creates a covert special ops force for keeping up world balance. They do this for decades, until Desert Storm which they botch up on live TV, and as a consequence have to go public as the UN GDI. C&C1 then happens a few years later.

Kane appearing in the soviet missions of RA1 is just a call out to show you how long he has been pulling the lines of history. If you believe the iconography in Renegade, then he has been around since biblical times (he is the Cain from the bible).

RA2 is an alternate universe. Westwood planned one of the future Tiberium games to have Nod psychic acolytes, one of whom is named Yuri. They find and restore a century old Chronosphere and go back in time, creating the RA2 alternate universe. Westwood folded before this game could be made.

[Big Convoy]

Originally posted by Meat Miracle:

The "bad guy" endings are never canon in any of the c&c games, except c&c3 where all 3 campaigns coexist in the same story.

RA leads directly to C&C1. One of the cutscenes mention the UN calling for the creation of a global defence force. The lore is that the UN/Allies occupies Russia, gets some of their tech (like the Mammoth Tank) and creates a covert special ops force for keeping up world balance. They do this for decades, until Desert Storm which they botch up on live TV, and as a consequence have to go public as the UN GDI. C&C1 then happens a few years later.

Kane appearing in the soviet missions of RA1 is just a call out to show you how long he has been pulling the lines of history. If you believe the iconography in Renegade, then he has been around since biblical times (he is the Cain from the bible).

RA2 is an alternate universe. Westwood planned one of the future Tiberium games to have Nod psychic acolytes, one of whom is named Yuri. They find and restore a century old Chronosphere and go back in time, creating the RA2 alternate universe. Westwood folded before this game could be made.

Both campaign in Firestorm are canon as well.

[EbonyRaven]

Soviet Camaign is the TD canon. Allied Campaign is the RA2 canon