Why do the cutscenes look so awful?

[Arnie Rimsy BSc.SSc.]

Surely they'd be redone in HD?

[Cyrus]

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Първоначално публикувано от Orkhepaj:

yeah ,but now this is just an old game , i wish it was a remake hope ea gets the numbers and makes a new one

I'm hoping that they do Red Alert 2 next possibly with Tiberian Sun aswell, part of the reason why i bought this even though it's EA.

Red Alert 2 should rather be a remake since the RA series was meant to be a prelude for the CnC Tib series. Thanks to EA, that didnt happen and choices was made to set Red Alert in its own universe instead according to a documentary I saw just two days ago.

[Arnie Rimsy BSc.SSc.]

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who wants the old actors anyway?

I want the old actors, if you are new to the game series I can in a way understand your statement though since you were not there from the beginning. If you tried to replace Joe D Kucan that plays Kane with someone else you would fail misserably. You would get the same result as when they put Leto in as the Joker after people had seen Jack Nicholsson or Heath Ledger playing it. Understand that it is a remaster, not a remake of the games.

I was playing this game in the 90's and don't really know what you're on about because new cut scenes would be better than the trainwreck eyesore they've tried to pass up in a HD collection. Sounds like alot of personal justification to me. Anyway I have seen some replies saying they lost the original tapes, which is a whole different story, but I'm just gonna' refund it til they actually give me a HD game and not a $30 nostalgia trip that doesn't look nice at times. Not worth it to me.

GLHF

[Silberfuchs]

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i'm sure most of us buy this because of nostalgia, as far as mechanics go it's rough compared to modern RTS.

messing with the original too much would cause hate.

I'm pretty sure an actual remake would sell worse, AND cost a fortune to make.
EA is dumb, but at least they don't hate money.

Modern rts clearly doesn't sell well, the only way to cash in on this genre is to tap into the really old stuff people are nostalgic about.

A remake sounds great on paper, but yeah... many fans would hate an actual remake.

Just look at RTS released in the last 5 years, some are GREAT games, but they just sell like crap.

[Cyrus]

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Първоначално публикувано от Cyrus:

I want the old actors, if you are new to the game series I can in a way understand your statement though since you were not there from the beginning. If you tried to replace Joe D Kucan that plays Kane with someone else you would fail misserably. You would get the same result as when they put Leto in as the Joker after people had seen Jack Nicholsson or Heath Ledger playing it. Understand that it is a remaster, not a remake of the games.

I was playing this game in the 90's and don't really know what you're on about because new cut scenes would be better than the trainwreck eyesore they've tried to pass up in a HD collection. Sounds like alot of personal justification to me. Anyway I have seen some replies saying they lost the original tapes, which is a whole different story, but I'm just gonna' refund it til they actually give me a HD game and not a $30 nostalgia trip that doesn't look nice at times. Not worth it to me.

GLHF

Well as I stated at the very beginning, I want the old actors. Hence is it a personal opinion. I would not want new cutscenes made with new actors. 30 Euros? I payed 20(200SEK) which I think is ok. =)

[w_a_c_k_e_d]

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this, they are not gonna refilm the damn thing so they can only clean & upscale the original footage.

I'll probably refund it then. What's the point when I already have the old versions on Origin, it looks crap lol

ok karen

[Vanessaira]

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Първоначално публикувано от Lt. Aldo Raine:

Next time read the information provided about the product before purchasing?

I have read the information and kept up with the game since it was announced. Do you have anything worth saying, or just useless personal attacks?

There was literally a video put out from Jim Vessella showing that they could not locate the original source video. So they choose to upscale the console versions of the game cut scenes using A.I. nearest neighbor because it was in mpeg format. A slightly better video compression then the vcd's. During the video and especially at the end, they showed the enhanced video side by side to the original. He also indicated that where this was applicable and where it was not. The handful of cut scenes that were not present in the console version had no way of being upscaled.

[Eldath]

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You're talking about re-filming live action sequences and re-creating CGI sequences. It's a lot of work, and many actors probably don't look the same as they used to. The original footage was apparently lost.

Not to mention some of the key actors are *dead*. So that's not an option. They only had the second-hand compressed FMVs to work with and they did the best they could to restore them to HD quality. And in case of RA 1, apparently the footage was of much lower quality than the one for TD, so that's why it looks worse.

If I recall correctly, they do have the original, uncompressed footage for Tiberian Sun and Red Alert 2, so if those remasters become reality (and I *really* hope they will) the FMVs there are going to look much better.

[nhnystuen]

Calm down Caren. Get that refund and move on.

[Orkhepaj]

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Calm down Caren. Get that refund and move on.

what is a Caren?

[Arnie Rimsy BSc.SSc.]

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Първоначално публикувано от nhnystuen:

Calm down Caren. Get that refund and move on.

what is a Caren?

Bit awkward that you asked that tooo* the "Karen" copy cat who saw someone else say it and had to parrot the same thing yet who can't even spell it correctly rofl

A Karen is a middle aged mother featured in Reddit stories who boasts a "Show me your manager" hair cut and complaining demeanour. So basically it is Reddit speak. You aren't allowed to ask questions or have a different opinion otherwise you're the enemy when it comes to peoples little nostalgia bubbles of unquestioning authority hahaha Anyway, I have since refunded the game and am happy with my refund knowing the game is average. Might buy the game in the future on sale but I'd prefer just buy a fully modern one as I'm over playing C&C games that look like utter dog crap. Some people just don't like questions being asked, how do you think the Bolsheviks turned an entire country into an iron curtain... oh that's right, time travel and Einstein

[Ultrabot]

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We can’t enhance HD out of a pixel, and the devs only got low res video from the original games as the source.

So they haven't improved the cutscenes at all?

They've been upscaled as best as they can be. Only other option would be to redo the scenes, hire new actors..

[The Fifth Horseman]

Първоначално публикувано от Zef:

nobody since some are already dead / very old right now.

hiring in another cast of people to redo the cutscenes would be both funny, and immensily disliked due to nostalgia factor.

There's an option that solves both problems - hiring body doubles to do the acting, then deepfaking the original actors' faces onto them.

[Magic Myra]

The video has been upscaled. In some cases, this was done well, in some cases poorly, but in all of the live action videos, there is artifacting that gives away the fact that these videos were compressed poorly at one point, making it difficult to make them look good.

That said, Motion Capture technology has advanced significantly, and even cheap commercially available programs such as Face Rig could have been used to create a decent looking effect - but they would have needed to put in time and money into creating 3d models for each of the characters, rigging them up for animation, and all in all cost money. Money that, at the time of spending it, may or may not have paid off. So, yes, they could have done better (and, personally, I would have loved to see the cutscenes get a full-digital makeover), but I can understand why they didn't do that and appreciate the game that we did get.

[synrgy87]

Do people not understand what a remaster is? Seems people are expecting a complete remake or reboot(would be nice if they brought back C&C)

[Gummiel]

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Първоначално публикувано от Lt. Aldo Raine:

Next time read the information provided about the product before purchasing?

I have read the information and kept up with the game since it was announced. Do you have anything worth saying, or just useless personal attacks?

Clearly you haven't since EVERYTHING said in thie thread was common knowledge before release