Actual good writing or...Outer Worlds?

[Brian]

Outer Worlds shattered my confidence in Obsidian's writing. I had heard that all the best writers had left the company and all that was left was the..."re-imagined for a modern audience" ilk. Outer Worlds pretty much proved that to be true. Is this actual old school Obsidian quality or...the new stuff?

[Sleeprocket]

I do like the writing so far, theres some weird progressive stuff which imo does not fit but its atleast not AS jarring as Outer Worlds was.

[Brian]

引用自 Sleeprocket：

I do like the writing so far, theres some weird progressive stuff which imo does not fit but its atleast not AS jarring as Outer Worlds was.

Hmm...alright. Not exactly what I was hoping for.

[Brian Sirith]

Not Outer Worlds, nope. While I liked Outer Worlds overall and gave it a positive review I agree with the points you’ve made in your review of it. This game’s writing is much better.

Disclaimer: I’ve played about 2 hours.

[Call me Snake!]

It’s Outer Worlds. I started a thread about authenticity and historical accuracy. Got a lot of flame only for the people to admit there were artistic liberties taken.

[bridgeofblues]

引用自 Sleeprocket：

I do like the writing so far, theres some weird progressive stuff which imo does not fit but its atleast not AS jarring as Outer Worlds was.

Like what I am study this time period really on point? What do mean by progressive them having the African Monk visitng? Or Peasants getting to revolt? Which fyi time period of reformation and Peasant war/Revolt. Things where wild in the HRE.

[Slimebeast]

引用自 Sleeprocket：

I do like the writing so far, theres some weird progressive stuff which imo does not fit but its atleast not AS jarring as Outer Worlds was.

Ouch, I was afraid it would have modern day morals. I hate that, I want authentic medieval.

Could you give examples, in what way progressive stuff?

[joe weed]

the writing is very good so far, some of the options are provocative, given the time period, but its not jarring

[bridgeofblues]

引用自 Slimebeast：

引用自 Sleeprocket：

I do like the writing so far, theres some weird progressive stuff which imo does not fit but its atleast not AS jarring as Outer Worlds was.

Ouch, I was afraid it would have modern day morals. I hate that, I want authentic medieval.

Could you give examples, in what way progressive stuff?

I don't see faux-SJW stuff this comes from guys that study history and political progressive. That one pet peeves in history media put ideas or midset that was their. For example game have religion be nature part of society where can be both mystical but feel very mundane. This game take place years of Reformation which just was shuck all Western and Central Europe up.

[lacrimosa1206]

There are some obvious feminist remarks here and there in the game, but it's negligible enough.

[molamola]

It's better than Outer Worlds for sure. (I played it immediately after Disco Elysium and the writing difference was jarring--just reminded me how unnecessarily verbose some game storytelling can be though I understand the writers need to beat us over the heads to have us remember things in a 40 hour game.) However, it's not better because of a lack of discussion on progressive social issues, it's just better period. This "woke" discussion always amuses me because most stories/movies/games are indeed "woke" including ones that are "not woke" like House of the Dragon. The ideas are there, they are just less obvious or not a central theme of the piece. So in essence, those "progressive ideas" are in most art, just to differing degrees of obviousness--I think its super funny to me that often the stuff that people cite as "not woke" actually is.

Also FYI a lot of the stuff that comes up in the Protestant Reformation is pertinent to "modern morals," e.g. the critical reassessments of hierarchy in institutions (abuse of power) and the relative autonomy of the lower classes/marginalized people. People eliminated the mediation with communicating from God--reducing power of the Church and therefore flattening those hierarchies a bit. I am not religious but I recently found out one of my coworkers is from a Protestant sect has a "town hall" of sorts with most of the church goers and she mentioned the committee and the pastor were having a tiff and refused to give the pastor the keys to the church--I had no idea some churches were run that. The church I briefly attended didn't have anything like that. After reading I realize has roots in these older events.

[Brian]

For reference, woke doesn't mean "has liberal ideas". Obviously liberal ideas have been in art for centuries. In fact, wokism is expressly anti-liberal - it focuses heavily on skin color, sex and sexuality as personality traits. Liberal = content of character, woke = color of skin.

[Olter]

It takes itself seriously enough I would say. The brother Mathieu storyline is a bit... silly. But it is pretty much the only time something that doesn't fit the world is played for laughs

But its a good murder mystery game. Nothing revolutionary dont get me wrong.
Topics discussed mainly are "Peasants life sucks", "greed bad", "Pragmatism good?? or no?????"
Its a very grounded, dont go expecting Joshua graham type characters. But you wont be finding any they them genderbenders either. Just normal humans

A fair bit of "did you know that womans life sucks in middle ages in comparison to men" which is a tad bit silly. Everyones lives sucked in the middle ages. Most men didnt have autonomy over their lives either under serfdom, so this type of idea that womens lives sucked because they had to become nuns or GET MARRIED(the horror...) etc. etc. is naive at best. Life sucked in general.

But its not leftist propaganda or anything.

[Gnocchi]

Significantly better writing than The Outer Worlds, which had serious pacing issues and just seemed to end completely abruptly and with no payoff.
I'm in the epilogue of Pentiment at the moment (completed Acts I and II) and the narrative is engaging and fulfilling. Dialogue is nowhere near as long-winded as the Pillars games and characters tend not to waffle.

Only time I've skipped dialogue is when replaying a segment to force a particular outcome.

[LaarNL]

The outer worlds is one of my favs of all time, after a drought left by Fable.

This game i also love, but its also very niche.
Its an interactive book. If you dont like reading, you wont like this.

[Brian]

Alright, I've decided to buy it. Josh Sawyer, while definitely very liberal, has always seemed like one of the more rational ones (i.e. not part of the cult). I'll trust him for now.