Tianhai ult has no counterplay after you got hit ONCE

[Michieltjuhh]

You can not avoid getting permanently picked up afterward. He slaps you down, picks you up instantly again if he's not literally the worst shooter player in the history of shooter players, and continues the cycle until you are dead. Straight up no counterplay.

Put a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ cooldown on his ability to pick enemies up, or get rid of this horrid design, it's absolutely not fun to play against. Either you escape because he missed because he's trash and he gets a free hard reset on the fight, or you don't get the option to escape (bad terrain) / he actually knows how to aim and you're done for. It's impossible to escape the grip right now and it's impossible to kill him right now.

[jack]

on high rank that ult is the free to kill target for any decent players. I like playing against that giant in 1v1, He is way easier to deal with than tarka and yoto since u can actually see him do the ult and have time to escape. Ill give u some tips:
1. His grapple can be easily dodged. Just tap dodge once u see him do the grapple thing. It is so slow and if u can counter blue attacks, u can definitely do that. Just shoot, dodge, shoot dodge and repeat. Or dodge and grapple away. Or use slide hoping technique. U can learn all these skills in less than 30 seconds.
2. Climb a tree or hide behind a rock to kill him with ranged attacks. Too easy.
3. Vajira is slow and has terrible mobility. This ult is very limited when using in rough terrains with houses and hills. Moreover, the monk cant transform inside small houses . Its uses are quite limited compared to other ults.
4. Shoot the glowing weak point. If u can hit that point 5 times with a decent ranged weapon, the giant is doomed for sure.
5. the transformation time for the ult is very slow compared to other characters. Before he transforms into vajira, u have more than enough time to stay away far from him.
6. It is not about how good the aiming of monk player is. It is about how well u move. Learn movement technique and u will find how weak vajira is. If he can pick u up instantly after slamming u down once, it means your movement is bad.
7. When an opponent uses ult to fight u, fight them back with your own ults. Matari is an escape artist and can easily downs a vajira. Viper ning is best counter since her ability can stop anyone from using ults. Yoto can teleport with her talent skill and telmuch can easily blind him with sand. The monk is nothing without his ult. His talent skill is quite pathetic.

[OrangePopPlayz]

Yeah he is incredibly op in Trios, only way to escape the grab is to macro e

[SleeprunnerInc]

Once he knocks you down, go left or right.
Don't dash forward or back, nor jump.
You will always want to go left or right untill yer behind even a pixel of an object.

[Gamefreak]

Originally posted by OrangePopPlayz:

Yeah he is incredibly op in Trios, only way to escape the grab is to macro e

Macros that affect gameplay are usually a bannable offense in just about every online game. I definitely wouldn't recommend using one unless you want to test your luck and wake up to a ban one day.

[ParrotLord]

monk is OP. tell me what to do if u are in innermost circle, 1v1, and he transforms into titan (at his last straw of HP ofc, since it refills with the transform). Tell u what he did: he grabbed me, and straight out walked outside into the purple. he outtanked it and i died. Im not mad, since i get like 20 points still for the game, but its a joke. unbalanced AF.

[SleeprunnerInc]

Originally posted by Retrostyle:

monk is OP. tell me what to do if u are in innermost circle, 1v1, and he transforms into titan (at his last straw of HP ofc, since it refills with the transform). Tell u what he did: he grabbed me, and straight out walked outside into the purple. he outtanked it and i died. Im not mad, since i get like 20 points still for the game, but its a joke. unbalanced AF.

What you do is when he starts turning, you retreat a set distance back and start dodging left and right, they will miss 70-80% of the time.

[AlwaysAstral]

Monk is OP just cause he instantly changes the dynamics of a team fight potentially allowing your other 2 teammates to freely isolate an enemy. It takes time to get behind terrain and kill the vajira unless multiple teammates are landing charged shots with bow or beaming him with the repeater. One of my friends mains viper now just so we can silence monks and stun them should they start ulting. Then it literally is a free kill.

[SleeprunnerInc]

Originally posted by Astral:

Monk is OP just cause he instantly changes the dynamics of a team fight potentially allowing your other 2 teammates to freely isolate an enemy. It takes time to get behind terrain and kill the vajira unless multiple teammates are landing charged shots with bow or beaming him with the repeater. One of my friends mains viper now just so we can silence monks and stun them should they start ulting. Then it literally is a free kill.

So he isn't OP as he is countered hard by Vipers ult (Note that an ULT should not be countered by basic abilities).
Tarka can just run past it.
To my understanding the whirlwind guy prevents the grab from range as it's a projectile.

Teleporty chick just goes invisible.

Healer just outheals the damage and so on.

[AlwaysAstral]

Originally posted by SleeprunnerInc:

Originally posted by Astral:

Monk is OP just cause he instantly changes the dynamics of a team fight potentially allowing your other 2 teammates to freely isolate an enemy. It takes time to get behind terrain and kill the vajira unless multiple teammates are landing charged shots with bow or beaming him with the repeater. One of my friends mains viper now just so we can silence monks and stun them should they start ulting. Then it literally is a free kill.

So he isn't OP as he is countered hard by Vipers ult (Note that an ULT should not be countered by basic abilities).
Tarka can just run past it.
To my understanding the whirlwind guy prevents the grab from range as it's a projectile.

Teleporty chick just goes invisible.

Healer just outheals the damage and so on.

It is OP because its a full reset on the fight and can be used to nullify someone jumping you and like I said before can easily give you an advantage if your other teammates are decent. Unlike Viper there is no hard counter to monk. Viper can be countered easily by Matari team stealth ult. Temulchs ult only lasts 12 seconds, vajra lasts 40 seconds so even his ult doesn't really do much and if the vajra walks into temulchs ult he can just grab you which I don't even think staggers him. Kurumi healing is a joke its like 2 bars of a shield and 500 hp so like 1 powder and a health thing not really all that impressive. Monk ult can one shot someone with legendary armor if he picks 2 people up even if they're at 100% shields/hp.

No other ult is so versatile and as game changing as monks ult.

[Left-Hand Path]

I have a questiuon about this: What happens if he transform right in the moment when vipers ult triggers ?

Because I met someone who didn´t get stunned and my silence didn´t work either. He had "abilities disabled" above his head and grabbed me anyway.

[AlwaysAstral]

Originally posted by DJ Geräteschuppen(Ricochet):

I have a questiuon about this: What happens if he transform right in the moment when vipers ult triggers ?

Because I met someone who didn´t get stunned and my silence didn´t work either. He had "abilities disabled" above his head and grabbed me anyway.

Silence will prevent them from casting an ability after they're hit with it. It's not an interrupt like in most MMOs and they can still grab you as their grab is actually an attack not an ability. As far as the stun goes if he's ulting and viper ults he should get hit by the stun so long as he remains visible and within line of sight.

[Mr.Dark]

what they should do is make his giant form have the same health as the normal form, so if Tian is getting smoked and goes giant at 30% hp the giant should have 30% hp

[Left-Hand Path]

Originally posted by Astral:

Originally posted by DJ Geräteschuppen(Ricochet):

I have a questiuon about this: What happens if he transform right in the moment when vipers ult triggers ?

Because I met someone who didn´t get stunned and my silence didn´t work either. He had "abilities disabled" above his head and grabbed me anyway.

Silence will prevent them from casting an ability after they're hit with it. It's not an interrupt like in most MMOs and they can still grab you as their grab is actually an attack not an ability. As far as the stun goes if he's ulting and viper ults he should get hit by the stun so long as he remains visible and within line of sight.

Good to know about the silence. The stun didn´t hit though and he was right next to me without any Los break..

[SleeprunnerInc]

Originally posted by Astral:

Originally posted by SleeprunnerInc:

So he isn't OP as he is countered hard by Vipers ult (Note that an ULT should not be countered by basic abilities).
Tarka can just run past it.
To my understanding the whirlwind guy prevents the grab from range as it's a projectile.

Teleporty chick just goes invisible.

Healer just outheals the damage and so on.

It is OP because its a full reset on the fight and can be used to nullify someone jumping you and like I said before can easily give you an advantage if your other teammates are decent. Unlike Viper there is no hard counter to monk. Viper can be countered easily by Matari team stealth ult. Temulchs ult only lasts 12 seconds, vajra lasts 40 seconds so even his ult doesn't really do much and if the vajra walks into temulchs ult he can just grab you which I don't even think staggers him. Kurumi healing is a joke its like 2 bars of a shield and 500 hp so like 1 powder and a health thing not really all that impressive. Monk ult can one shot someone with legendary armor if he picks 2 people up even if they're at 100% shields/hp.

No other ult is so versatile and as game changing as monks ult.

Yet his ult can only be used in open terrain.
Which means you should fight him in closed terrain or at range.

He is a hard melee character with no real way to fight at range other than relying he can grapple on to you and that you are not ready OR that he can land his vajra attacks which relies on you being dumb aswell.

If he runs in to temulchs storm, you can always LEAVE said storm.
The vajra is slower than you are.
The storm blocks vision.
He cannot attack you if you use it to reposition, giving you ample time to fight back since you keep using the example of a whole team working there.

If temulch can shut him down for 12 seconds, forcing the Vajra to just prance around, your other teammates can either setup a short distance away and annihilate the vajra or focus on his teammates while Temulch can lure the vajra away and join the fight for 12 seconds before taking on the Vajra.

On top of that the vajra has trouble if there is even one object in his general area.

The attacks hitbox is so huge, it will nearly 100% hit any object the player hides behind.

Be it a small pole, a rats whisker or even a gnats penis.

No joke.

I've played as him for a while and I can tell you, he is not OP.

Sure, you can reset your HP but that wont do much if the other person is smart and takes distance to you, uses the terrain or just knows how to dodge while shooting you with a repeating crossbow.

And trust me, mindgames with a repeating crossbow are a nuisance.

For one, you believe they wont stop shooting so you try to aim at them only for them to dodge to the left or right, so you try to account for that and they suddenly stood still or went the other way.

So in total you only got a 33% chance to hit them.

This chance goes higher the more people you meet who don't know how to deal with the vajra other than SPAM M1.

Yes his grab time should be lowered so you can escape it easier, I agree on it cause it's needlessly long.

Other than that, I'd say viper and temulch are more OP than him.

Being stunned for 5 whole seconds or losing access to your ranged ability and controls if you get launched in a whirlwind are worse than a vajra trying to grab you.

[SleeprunnerInc]

Originally posted by Malice:

what they should do is make his giant form have the same health as the normal form, so if Tian is getting smoked and goes giant at 30% hp the giant should have 30% hp

That's just bad as the vajra already has weakpoints and is a MASSIVE lumbering target you cannot miss.