Resident Evil Village

Resident Evil Village

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burningmime May 10, 2021 @ 11:16pm
Mia question (SPOILERS! ENDING SPOILERS! GET YOUR SPOILERS HERE!)
*When* did Miranda take Mia's place?

The Mia at the end (possibly a jello mold, but she was unaffected by the mutamycite) mentions to Chris that she remembers moving to Europe. So she clearly survived RE7 intact, and the one in the helicopter at the end of RE7 wasn't Miranda. Was she the real Mia when she got pregnant with her half-jello baby? But then that doesn't explain the memory issues. Or is Rose a combination of Miranda and Ethan, which would make her full jello mold?

What's the timeline here, fellas?
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Ataraxia ♥ May 10, 2021 @ 11:33pm 
Rose is Ethan and Mias daughter, Miranda simply wanted to kidnap her to revive her daughter. I don't think there is an exact time-frame, obviously Chris and Wolf Squad knew about it so it must've been random and that's why they showed up the way they did.
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Myztkl©-Kev May 10, 2021 @ 11:38pm 
Miranda took Mia's place after they relocated to where ever they are after they had the baby. So Mia gave birth, chris relocated them, the connections told miranda about rose, miranda kidnapped mia and took her place.
Gracey Face May 10, 2021 @ 11:54pm 
Originally posted by Myztkl©-Kev:
Miranda took Mia's place after they relocated to where ever they are after they had the baby. So Mia gave birth, chris relocated them, the connections told miranda about rose, miranda kidnapped mia and took her place.

Except this doesn't make sense because you crash right next to the fungus village. There's no reason for your convoy to have ever gone near there unless Ethan's new home had been in or right next to it, which would be insanely coincidental.

And if Miranda took over the vehicle and drove it there, there'd be no reason for it to have crashed.
Gracey Face May 10, 2021 @ 11:56pm 
Originally posted by burningmime:
*When* did Miranda take Mia's place?

The Mia at the end (possibly a jello mold, but she was unaffected by the mutamycite) mentions to Chris that she remembers moving to Europe. So she clearly survived RE7 intact, and the one in the helicopter at the end of RE7 wasn't Miranda. Was she the real Mia when she got pregnant with her half-jello baby? But then that doesn't explain the memory issues. Or is Rose a combination of Miranda and Ethan, which would make her full jello mold?

What's the timeline here, fellas?

The game never specifically states when the takeover took place.

Though a thing to note is that Rose is almost certainly full Jello mold anyway. If Ethan is a mold monster then Mia must also be as they both took the same "cure" and Mia was more heavily infected at the time. Since Ethan doesn't know it is entirely possible that Mia doesn't know.
PhantomΩ May 11, 2021 @ 12:02am 
Originally posted by Uosdwis R. Dawoh:
Originally posted by burningmime:
*When* did Miranda take Mia's place?

The Mia at the end (possibly a jello mold, but she was unaffected by the mutamycite) mentions to Chris that she remembers moving to Europe. So she clearly survived RE7 intact, and the one in the helicopter at the end of RE7 wasn't Miranda. Was she the real Mia when she got pregnant with her half-jello baby? But then that doesn't explain the memory issues. Or is Rose a combination of Miranda and Ethan, which would make her full jello mold?

What's the timeline here, fellas?

The game never specifically states when the takeover took place.

Though a thing to note is that Rose is almost certainly full Jello mold anyway. If Ethan is a mold monster then Mia must also be as they both took the same "cure" and Mia was more heavily infected at the time. Since Ethan doesn't know it is entirely possible that Mia doesn't know.
That makes sense but also remember that as Eve said Ethan died at the beginning of re7, i imagine being revived by the mold turned him 100% mold man
Gracey Face May 11, 2021 @ 12:04am 
Originally posted by PhantomΩ:
That makes sense but also remember that as Eve said Ethan died at the beginning of re7, i imagine being revived by the mold turned him 100% mold man

No, because Eveline controls the mould. This is how she controls mould victims like Mia and the Bakers. Once the mould reaches your brain she controls you.

Ethan never advances that far in the infection, which is why he is able to be the protagonist. Mia gets to that point.

If he was 100% mould man fungus monster then he'd have been more under her control and presumably would have turned into one of the sludge monsters since that seems to be what Eveline does with people that hold no significance to her. But then again since Mia she might have kept Ethan intact.
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PhantomΩ May 11, 2021 @ 12:22am 
Originally posted by Uosdwis R. Dawoh:
Originally posted by PhantomΩ:
That makes sense but also remember that as Eve said Ethan died at the beginning of re7, i imagine being revived by the mold turned him 100% mold man

No, because Eveline controls the mould. This is how she controls mould victims like Mia and the Bakers. Once the mould reaches your brain she controls you.

Ethan never advances that far in the infection, which is why he is able to be the protagonist. Mia gets to that point.

If he was 100% mould man fungus monster then he'd have been more under her control and presumably would have turned into one of the sludge monsters since that seems to be what Eveline does with people that hold no significance to her. But then again since Mia she might have kept Ethan intact.
From what i gathered there are 3 stages of infection from the mold, first being regeneration that Ethan has and second having hallucinations (that you have mid to the end of re7).

From the notes found in re7 the infection takes a while to kick in up to stage 3, the reason (i think) Mia was able to be cured was because she never got to stage 3 in the first place. Stage 3 only happens after suffering severe damage, like when Jack lost his upper torso.

I think same applies to Ethan, but now i'm wondering, dude lost finger, hand, this and that, why did he never get to stage 3? But then again i imagine losing a hand or a few fingers isn't as bad as losing half of your body...
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MechaNick May 11, 2021 @ 12:44am 
This is my crazy theory atm; Mia went to Miranda asking for advice about her daughter, as she was worried there would be complications with the mold. Miranda, suspecting Rose would be the perfect host for Eve, imprisons Mia and takes her place to kidnap the baby.

Mia was part of the project behind Evelyn and they got the mold from Miranda initially, so it wouldn't be far fetched for her to know or at least know of her. She'd be the best person to seek advice from. And how else would Mia have ended up there without her being abducted prior to the game?

Additionally, in House Beneviento, we get all the voice lines from Mia saying sorry to Ethan. I can't imagine him hallucinating those, since as far as he knows Mia wasn't responsible for the abduction. But they could very well be recordings taken while she's locked up.



Last edited by MechaNick; May 11, 2021 @ 12:45am
TyresTyco May 11, 2021 @ 12:48am 
Originally posted by PhantomΩ:
Originally posted by Uosdwis R. Dawoh:

No, because Eveline controls the mould. This is how she controls mould victims like Mia and the Bakers. Once the mould reaches your brain she controls you.

Ethan never advances that far in the infection, which is why he is able to be the protagonist. Mia gets to that point.

If he was 100% mould man fungus monster then he'd have been more under her control and presumably would have turned into one of the sludge monsters since that seems to be what Eveline does with people that hold no significance to her. But then again since Mia she might have kept Ethan intact.
From what i gathered there are 3 stages of infection from the mold, first being regeneration that Ethan has and second having hallucinations (that you have mid to the end of re7).

From the notes found in re7 the infection takes a while to kick in up to stage 3, the reason (i think) Mia was able to be cured was because she never got to stage 3 in the first place. Stage 3 only happens after suffering severe damage, like when Jack lost his upper torso.

I think same applies to Ethan, but now i'm wondering, dude lost finger, hand, this and that, why did he never get to stage 3? But then again i imagine losing a hand or a few fingers isn't as bad as losing half of your body...

Mhm Ethan slowly turns after getting his heart ripped out so... it does make sense.
PhantomΩ May 11, 2021 @ 12:51am 
Originally posted by MechaNick:
This is my crazy theory atm; Mia went to Miranda asking for advice about her daughter, as she was worried there would be complications with the mold. Miranda, suspecting Rose would be the perfect host for Eve, imprisons Mia and takes her place to kidnap the baby.

Mia was part of the project behind Evelyn and they got the mold from Miranda initially, so it wouldn't be far fetched for her to know or at least know of her. She'd be the best person to seek advice from. And how else would Mia have ended up there without her being abducted prior to the game?

Additionally, in House Beneviento, we get all the voice lines from Mia saying sorry to Ethan. I can't imagine him hallucinating, since as far as he knows Mia wasn't responsible for the abduction. But they could very well be recordings taken while she's locked up.
Hey nice theory, but in my opinion i think Mia was abducted right after the memory at the beginning of the game, when they talk about taking Rose to the doc and have a fight.

Miranda was looking for a host and she probably just heard from the connections that Mia had a mold baby.
Gracey Face May 11, 2021 @ 2:25am 
Originally posted by PhantomΩ:
From what i gathered there are 3 stages of infection from the mold, first being regeneration that Ethan has and second having hallucinations (that you have mid to the end of re7).

No, the three according to the baker report are;

Regeneration.
Mind control
Slime monster.

The Slime monster stage is a byproduct of the mind control stage, you lose your self identity and self image and so can no longer maintain that form as a fungus monster.
Kiyohime May 11, 2021 @ 2:31am 
Originally posted by MechaNick:
This is my crazy theory atm; Mia went to Miranda asking for advice about her daughter, as she was worried there would be complications with the mold. Miranda, suspecting Rose would be the perfect host for Eve, imprisons Mia and takes her place to kidnap the baby.

Mia was part of the project behind Evelyn and they got the mold from Miranda initially, so it wouldn't be far fetched for her to know or at least know of her. She'd be the best person to seek advice from. And how else would Mia have ended up there without her being abducted prior to the game?

Additionally, in House Beneviento, we get all the voice lines from Mia saying sorry to Ethan. I can't imagine him hallucinating those, since as far as he knows Mia wasn't responsible for the abduction. But they could very well be recordings taken while she's locked up.

THE DOCTOR OF MIA MIGHT BE MIRANDA IN DISGUISE. Then Proceeds to kidnap Mia and Transform into her.
Lunar Shower May 11, 2021 @ 2:46am 
Originally posted by Uosdwis R. Dawoh:
Originally posted by PhantomΩ:
That makes sense but also remember that as Eve said Ethan died at the beginning of re7, i imagine being revived by the mold turned him 100% mold man

No, because Eveline controls the mould. This is how she controls mould victims like Mia and the Bakers. Once the mould reaches your brain she controls you.

Ethan never advances that far in the infection, which is why he is able to be the protagonist. Mia gets to that point.

If he was 100% mould man fungus monster then he'd have been more under her control and presumably would have turned into one of the sludge monsters since that seems to be what Eveline does with people that hold no significance to her. But then again since Mia she might have kept Ethan intact.
I think its safe to say that by the time they wind up having Rose, Mia likely isn't nearly as infected with the mold as Ethan, at least presumably. She's the only one of the two we know to actually be given the "cure" for the mold, while Ethan was never exactly granted this luxury. Though, from the looks of things even if he had been, he would have ended up heavily damaged like Jack when injected, or potentially "dead". I think the main takeaway with the twist itself really is that for better or for worse, at least with current knowledge, Ethan's body is largely made up of the mold, particularly due to, well, the entirety of RE7 post Mia, and RE8 in reality at that. Not only presumably regenerating a heart, but also putting his hand back together, he's also the only character I believe we know of to really make use of the First Aid liquid meds we get, albeit, I can't say I exactly recall what type of healing Chris uses in RE7's DLC, though if I remember right, Joe would eat to heal. Definitely been a little bit though.

Point being, while we can't really say for certain why Ethan was able to resist Eveline, I think its pretty safe to assume that Ethan himself is only living due to, and largely made of the mold, otherwise the twist itself would be for naught really, and his hand crumbling the way it does by the end of village also doesn't just seem to fit really. Assuming that it is also largely the mold that allows him to heal, with the first aid med merely accelerating the process, we know at the very least his leg is also made up of the same mold. The two best explanations either being that on a cellular level, he is bonded or completely molded, or is just a molded himself, but given special form/care due to Evelines desire for both a father and mother in her life, essentially resurrecting Ethan, likely the same way she did with the Bakers I imagine.

That said, its a fair bit of conjecture, and realistically, we just don't have an answer as to the time frame it happened, but the swap definitely *had* to have happened at some point between them coming to Europe and beyond. And completely ignoring the likely excuse of asset reuse, and just for the sake of ease for the developers, the fact that Mia looked rather similar and, in all honesty, hardly the worse for wear compared to the Miranda copy, it likely wasn't all TOO long prior to the game, after all, Rose had to have been born with Mia still outside of the hospital. The best way to maybe place a more definitive time range would likely be to examine the half birthday posted in the prologue, and see if it resembles any area in the current home, as if it doesn't its highly unlikely that Miranda traveled across the globe just to swap with Mia, while also relocating her back to the Village.

Ultimately though, Rose is likely largely made up of the mold herself, considering what she goes through in the game, and still manages to live, as well as the various experiments done upon her, and the ending of the game itself. I'm even inclined to believe somewhat that, rather than a massive time skip in the post credits scene, it could very well just be that Rose is aging more rapidly similarly to Eveline, though, the one thing that seems to throw that out of the cards is the fact Eveline herself was a failed project, and tampered with from the original strain of the molded, albeit, that would just happen to be the same strain of molded that Ethan and Mia were both in contact with.

Regardless, the one thing I can ssay definitively is that Rose is Mia and Ethan's baby without a doubt... though Mia may have been essentially bumping it with a B.O.W this whole time.
Gracey Face May 11, 2021 @ 2:57am 
Originally posted by Lunar Shower:
I think its safe to say that by the time they wind up having Rose, Mia likely isn't nearly as infected with the mold as Ethan, at least presumably. She's the only one of the two we know to actually be given the "cure" for the mold, while Ethan was never exactly granted this luxury.

We see Mia being given the cure, but Ethan had to have also been given a cure. He was nabbed by the BSAA after all. And we see from Rose what they do to people they know are infected. And you have to keep in mind that Mia was infected without any treatment for three years before RE 7 even happens. So it's not as if Ethan's infection would have been too advanced for a treatment to work if it worked on Mia.

To be frank half of the plot holes for this game seem to amount to "The BSAA is insanely incompetent" and the other half seem to be "I guess the writers forgot."
Nico May 11, 2021 @ 3:00am 
I'm more interested in knowing if Ethan banged Miranda.
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