[SPOILER] Why did Ethan decide not to work with Heisenberg?

[Spartan]

His reasoning seemed decent, even Miranda said he had lost the lead when death happened with Heisenberg..

[Gracey Face]

Messaggio originale di Alyx:

If they lack the ability to hear anyone else opinion then best to just shut them off.

You mean like you're doing? I objectively prove you wrong and your response is essentially to mewl like a baby and desperately try to form a circlejerk.

Does that sound like "hearing someone elses opinion"? Also opinion doesn't matter when you're arguing factual things.


I mean look at you specifically earlier when I agree with you "YOU DA SMARTEST!!" then when I point out you're wrong "You're just a troll!!!!".

How can you think you're receptive and reasonable at that point? :D.

[rina]

After Ethan rejects Heisenberg's offer, Heisenberg contacts Ethan anyway and reveals that he just wants to get rid of Miranda. He's no longer recruiting Ethan to his side, he's not insulting him. He doesn't even want Ethan dead. He just tells his position. He doesn't say it with a sneer. He says this with a sincere intonation. I think Heisenberg was hoping Ethan would change his mind... I can't think of him as bad after that.

[Gracey Face]

Messaggio originale di rina:

He doesn't say it with a sneer. He says this with a sincere intonation. I think Heisenberg was hoping Ethan would change his mind... I can't think of him as bad after that.

Add to this that Heisenberg chooses not to kill Ethan at least twice and it's pretty heavily implied thrice.

Heisenberg is a victim of a bad rewrite most likely.

[Xengre]

Messaggio originale di Uosdwis R. Dawoh:

Messaggio originale di rina:

He doesn't say it with a sneer. He says this with a sincere intonation. I think Heisenberg was hoping Ethan would change his mind... I can't think of him as bad after that.

Add to this that Heisenberg chooses not to kill Ethan at least twice and it's pretty heavily implied thrice.

Heisenberg is a victim of a bad rewrite most likely.

Oh, one other fun fact. He tells Ethan outright "Time to die" during the dialogue just before the drill mini-boss fight. I had forgotten about that part until I played past it recently. That puts an absolute nail in the coffin on your stance.

[Gracey Face]

Messaggio originale di Xengre:

Oh, one other fun fact. He tells Ethan outright "Time to die" during the dialogue just before the drill mini-boss fight. I had forgotten about that part until I played past it recently. That puts an absolute nail in the coffin on your stance.

What drill miniboss are you referring to? The only one I can think of is the one on the chair when you pick up the mold, but that's more of an enemy reveal than a miniboss and the Heisenberg dialogue before that isn't "time to die", it's "your funeral" which is an idiom meaning "you're making a mistake".

What enemy are you referring to specifically? Not saying you're wrong, I just don't remember this encounter and dialogue.

[Xengre]

Messaggio originale di Uosdwis R. Dawoh:

Messaggio originale di Xengre:

Oh, one other fun fact. He tells Ethan outright "Time to die" during the dialogue just before the drill mini-boss fight. I had forgotten about that part until I played past it recently. That puts an absolute nail in the coffin on your stance.

What drill miniboss are you referring to? The only one I can think of is the one on the chair when you pick up the mold, but that's more of an enemy reveal than a miniboss and the Heisenberg dialogue before that isn't "time to die", it's "your funeral" which is an idiom meaning "you're making a mistake".

What enemy are you referring to specifically? Not saying you're wrong, I just don't remember this encounter and dialogue.

The one that Heisenberg keeps yelling to shut up at and chases you through a few segments. Has a giant drill (well its actually a fan saw but same thing lol). You encounter it a final time for a mini-boss fight at the very end of the factory basically just before meeting Chris. It can shoot fire and break walls charging at you in the fight. The entire dialogue gives some interesting oversight but the player probably isn't typically paying especially close attention first run or so to what he saying tbh so easy enough to overlook.

[Gracey Face]

Messaggio originale di Xengre:

The one that Heisenberg keeps yelling to shut up at and chases you through a few segments. Has a giant drill (well its actually a fan saw but same thing lol). You encounter it a final time for a mini-boss fight at the very end of the factory basically just before meeting Chris. It can shoot fire and break walls charging at you in the fight. The entire dialogue gives some interesting oversight but the player probably isn't typically paying especially close attention first run or so to what he saying tbh so easy enough to overlook.

So when you say "drill miniboss" you actually mean propeller boss...

Anyway you are right in that he says "time to die". However you conveniently ignore than a minute after the fight Heisenberg shows himself to you and then chooses not to kill you.

Also the dialogue doesn't give any interesting insight, it is "I am tired of talking, time to die, you can tell something's waiting for you can't you?" (those aren't the exact words but I can't remember the exact words).


There's a concept called "actions speak louder than words". That's why I am focusing on Heisenberg's actions more than his dialogue and mainly using his dialogue when you have no actions to go off of (ie what he'd do with Rose).

[Gracey Face]

Messaggio originale di mldb88:

What a joke.

You are, for example the way you're lying about me once again. Unless you genuinely think that's what happened which might be even worse, I don't know.

At this point you're following me from thread to thread whining at and lying about me because you can't handle being proven wrong in a "discussion" you stormed out of at least twice. Is that how you want to be? (Don't answer that, I don't actually care. Cya.)

[Seraphita]

To be fair, I am impressed by Xengre's explanation as it seems to be very accurate. But yeah, guys... You've been almost harassing a single user across threads. It's fine to not agree with him but what you're doing isn't helping for one and he could easily report for harassment.

[Alyx]

Messaggio originale di Seraphina:

To be fair, I am impressed by Xengre's explanation as it seems to be very accurate. But yeah, guys... You've been almost harassing a single user across threads. It's fine to not agree with him but what you're doing isn't helping for one and he could easily report for harassment.

He'd just end up nailing himself easier if he did cuz the mods check out who started and kept a situation going and he's argued with literally everyone who has pointed out the obvious back at him that he's directly and intentionally changing words, sounds and even meanings of words just to start arguments with everyone across multiple threads.

They don't just take the reported post and go from that one.

This thread alone has already proven such that he is the one who came in and started the trouble and arguments here with multiple people...

[Amox]

Heisenberg is not a bad guy but a lunatic. He would do anything to kill Miranda, which means he doesnt care about life of Rose. if you read all the files, you will know he use living human to create cyborgs against Miranda. He may consider or even use Rose as an warhead or grenade..... Which Ethan wont agree at all.

But the real reason I believe is Devs cant be bother to make multi-choices for some reasons.

[Gracey Face]

Messaggio originale di Amox:

Heisenberg is not a bad guy but a lunatic. He would do anything to kill Miranda, which means he doesnt care about life of Rose. if you read all the files, you will know he use living human to create cyborgs against Miranda. He may consider or even use Rose as an warhead or grenade..... Which Ethan wont agree at all.

But the real reason I believe is Devs cant be bother to make multi-choices for some reasons.

The files only say he uses corpses, not living victims. It suggests living victims but it's a loose suggestion.

Also he does consider Rose as a weapon, but the only time he describes using her as a weapon (that I can recall at least) is healing her like Ethan wants and then having her help fight Miranda (like Ethan ends up doing anyway). He might have intended to eat Rose, but as far as I recall there's no files or dialogue to suggest this. I have a feeling there might have been one in his boss fight, but I can't be bothered to check. His boss fight is kind of wonky for dialogue.

You are right as an aside that the devs can't make branching stories. That is one thing they teased that they were going to do at some point (have you side with 1 lord to fight the others and Miranda). Most of the terrible writing regarding Heisenberg likely stems from him being the "good option" so to speak back when this was still something they were trying for that wasn't properly trimmed out after the idea got dropped.

[aaaaa]

I only shot magnum twice because I was saving up for the big final battle. Now Ethan is dead and Im playing as some other dude U_U

where are my 8 magnum bullets

[Seraphim]

Messaggio originale di Uosdwis R. Dawoh:

He might have intended to eat Rose, but as far as I recall there's no files or dialogue to suggest this. I have a feeling there might have been one in his boss fight, but I can't be bothered to check.

As far as I remember, he mentions Rose only two times in the fight.
"I use your cute little daughter to become more powerful than ever" and "You'll meet Rose in the afterlife".
Edit: I checked the dialogues and there's a third line - "Roses power is mine, right after I murdered Miranda".

[rina]

Messaggio originale di Xengre:

Messaggio originale di Uosdwis R. Dawoh:

What drill miniboss are you referring to? The only one I can think of is the one on the chair when you pick up the mold, but that's more of an enemy reveal than a miniboss and the Heisenberg dialogue before that isn't "time to die", it's "your funeral" which is an idiom meaning "you're making a mistake".

What enemy are you referring to specifically? Not saying you're wrong, I just don't remember this encounter and dialogue.

The one that Heisenberg keeps yelling to shut up at and chases you through a few segments. Has a giant drill (well its actually a fan saw but same thing lol). You encounter it a final time for a mini-boss fight at the very end of the factory basically just before meeting Chris. It can shoot fire and break walls charging at you in the fight. The entire dialogue gives some interesting oversight but the player probably isn't typically paying especially close attention first run or so to what he saying tbh so easy enough to overlook.

Even though Heisenberg wanted Ethan dead when he saw Ethan again, he didn't kill him. He said "get out" or something like that. I don't remember verbatim and I don't play in the English localization. Anyway, if he REALLY wanted Ethan dead, he could have just swatted him with a piece of iron, but he just threw it away. Moreover, I am sure that Heisenberg knows his factory perfectly, since he always knows about Ethan's location. So he also knows that there was WATER where he threw Ethan.