Whats with the hate?

[Ichthys]

Having logged about 10 hours into the game I've only found myself feeling bored once, for about 15 minutes during the first chapter but it really opens up in chapter 3 when you can start hijacking vehicles and rebuilding highways. There's a lot to do and explore but it has almost no real hand holding - I think many people are missing the sandbox aspects of this game and how they integrate into the multiplayer. It also has a good amount of 3rd person action/combat.

Im neither a fan of walking simulators nor a kojima fanboy (i've played a few MGS games but never beaten them) and I'm baffled with the way that people categorize the game, it seems like they havent played more than an hour or two and thats rarely enough to grasp or get immersed in most AAA Japanese games.

[Slimurgical (Stormy)]

Guild Sweetheart původně napsal:

"Whats with the hate?"

it's the internet and people will behave like they are on the internet

Wrong.

The hate originally comes from the fact that it's the longest walking simulator ever made, where only 15% of it is actually interesting content, and the rest of it is walking, and nothing ever happening, which is equal to watching paint dry. Tons have that impression and opinion.

The majority of hate comes from Kojima fanboys acting like people are being dumb, irrational and stupid ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ just for the sake of it, when realistically they don't like that people don't like something they like or love.
And realistically people just are sharing their thoughts on it. It's fine to not like a game, my above comment is fine, even if you disagree, it doesn't make me wrong, and either of us being wrong or right doesn't actually matter in any sense.

A small bit of hate also comes from an alledged comment from Kojima whining that he blames western gamers who only like shoot games for why his game's gotten a mixed reception.
It's hard not to get a bit pissy about that in all honesty, it's often a really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ move to just generalize and get uppity about people not liking your walking simulator.

Reminder that Walking Simulators are never done in abundance on Youtube for a big reason past a point. nobody's played Firewatch or Gone Home for the 500th time.

People have played Quake 1's E1M1 level literally 70,000 times, sure for speedrunning, but not even Death Stranding will get that much playtime, where people play it constantly for over twenty years almost straight.

Doesn't have to be a shooter, but it's gotta have a bit more to it than just walking across a really smol mutated version of the USA, delivering packages. Sorry if you disagree.

[Ichthys]

--s'-.🦊 LꝉϾH 🐺..-'s-- původně napsal:

zuvuya42 původně napsal:

Lol, just finished upgrading my rig by hand, which has been worked on in various forms for close to 20 years (the only original part is my first PCI cd rom drive, for nostalgia):

Specs 4 u, noob:

EVGA RTX 2080 Super Black, oc'd to 2000mhz base clock
Liquid cooled 7700k, oc'd to 4.9ghz
Castle 360ex ARGB AIO
32gb of Gskill trident Z royal silver RGB clocked to 3600mhz, all samsung die
12 tb storage divided across NVME, hybrid, and SSD drives
Thermaltake level 20 XT EATX modular case with case mods including UV reactive cable sleeves and 6/4 pin extenders, molex powered black lights, 12 2400rpm RGB aura sync case fans connected to a sata powered 5v header controller.

I've probably been a dedicated pc gamer longer than you've been alive. Sony has excellent exclusives like the yakuza series so I also game on their consoles. Dont be dumb.

Gotta have dem 12 rgb fans in addition to water cooling right? Real PC gamers don't use rgb and only on a keyboard if that.

@sony "eXCluSiVEs" and "i game on their dumbsoles"

thought so. read you like a book. you have money, but no sense. Having no sense about the PC gaming industry means you aren't a real PC gamer.
by going dumbsole you are anti-PC gaming as dumbsole playing executives use people like you to advance the dumbsole agenda. a dumbsole literally is directly opposite to PC interests.


Keep ignoring the PC vs Dumbsole issue asI perfectly predicted you would and read you like a cheap bad quality book.

Much salt. Such wow.

[⛥ ⌁⌁L⁕ꝉ⁜ϾH ⌁⌁]

StormyStrife původně napsal:

A small bit of hate also comes from an alledged comment from Kojima whining that he blames western gamers who only like shoot games for why his game's gotten a mixed reception.
It's hard not to get a bit pissy about that in all honesty, it's often a really ♥♥♥♥♥♥ move to just generalize and get uppity about people not liking your walking simulator.

Do you know how stupid that is?

"Kojima is hated because he said we want shooters and I hate he said that true statement. BTW I hate Death stranding because it's not a shooter!!!11 I hate Kojima because he said I wanted a shooter, which he didn't give us. It's not true I wanted a shooter, Kojima is bad for saying it, even though I just will say it again now. I wanted a shooter."

It's already been said. You dumbsole players are not going to get away with pointing the finger at anything else. Kojima represents the dumbsole. Zuvuya here just gushed about eXcLuSiveS in the hope of catching Kojimas black, twinkling eye and pleasing Sony reps. Both of you guys ignore the FACT Kojima while not delibeately out to attack PC games represents the dumbsole market by association, which is what ALL of the EXECS and related figures, use. Kojima is a symbol of the PC vs dumbsole war.

[Patriot]

Legend - CZ původně napsal:

zuvuya42 původně napsal:

There are no specific criticisms in those threads, just general "its boring" complaints. Have you tried the different systems and activities? Is it boring to sneak through BT areas, loot Mule camps, create new multiplayer travel routes, add to group constructions projects, etc? If those things are boring, what would make them more engaging? What should be different about the presentation or systems in place?

Nobody has those answers because game is bugless, intresting and well made for what it is. Smoothest AAA launch i remember and game is just fun ... Those people just dislike others having fun. Or i dont know, did not heard any valid complain.

It isn't bugless. Specifically if you kill and cremate a person in the first area Sam becomes permanently stuck.Also in the second area if you provide enough materials to build the road by the knot before accepting the quest you can't complete the quest. That aside though there are very few invisible walls (a big plus) and the bugs are few and far between

[⛥ ⌁⌁L⁕ꝉ⁜ϾH ⌁⌁]

I have not much idea why a dumbsole player would hate Kojima.
PC gamers have a motive.
Dumbsole players don't, because Kojima delivers what was always delivered.
The only thing they can say is it's not MGS. Well, duh, right? He has no rights to MGS and it's not called MGS. That's it, though, and I haven't seen one person mention it. I haven't seen one guy say "it's not MGS".

But PC players have a big problem with the creepy game journalists and everyone else Kojima is marketing it too, all the celebs and larping fake gamers. As you see, most here are that type since none of them except myself defend PC gamers. That means everyone here are dumbsole compromised fake gamers. This is a PC release forum.

[Cyberbeing]

zuvuya42 původně napsal:

There are no specific criticisms in those threads, just general "its boring" complaints. Have you tried the different systems and activities? Is it boring to sneak through BT areas, loot Mule camps, create new multiplayer travel routes, add to group constructions projects, etc? If those things are boring, what would make them more engaging? What should be different about the presentation or systems in place?

These same people would say RTS games are boring, chess game is boring, golf is boring, etc... you get the drift.

There was one person in Resident Evil 2: RE crapping on the game saying its repetitive garbage and boring.

Draw your own judgment and don't take anyone's word for it.

[shado]

Trump™ původně napsal:

No walking simulator is worth 15 dollars let alone 60.

you like to collect things and ignore the main story? here are 6000 games worth 60 dollars for you

[Mighty Skadiny]

are any haters actually play the game?

[⛥ ⌁⌁L⁕ꝉ⁜ϾH ⌁⌁]

MorgulStrum původně napsal:

2)Useless to play the game, Leak from Sony, game spoiled before to be out. (~10000 free keys given to reporters and youtubers, and Sony's friends ).

4) Who are spoiler and streamer ==>> Console players

5) Who have ruined the game and the myster around it ??

These are really good points. 2) is very sleazy (was it corporate Sony USA?)

[Aryend]

Imo great part of the hate comes from Kojima's huge ego and stupid declarations (seriously, someone should tell him to get off of Twitter and other social medias ASAP) and how overzealous a good chunk of his fanbase is. The game itself seems good and at least somewhat original and unique, which is something you can't say about most AAA games.

[hellatze]

Whatever

[Metadragon]

Manny původně napsal:

Metadragon původně napsal:

Best bits of what? They released like 40 mins of gameplay weeks before this game came out.

In the trailers. That doesn't invalidate anything I said in my post. Do you have a link to the gameplay?

It does invalidate what you say because in was readily available and their reptile brains for celebrities over doing even a slight Google search.

https://youtu.be/2JdEeGHEaNU

Sorry 59 mins and it was at Tokyo Game Show in September. Kojima himself references how some may not like it several times in the video

There's another one with like 30 mins of just room gameplay if you could call that gameplay and not simply and advanced looking menu

[CrazyCatBoy]

You can hijack vehicles at the very first chapter. You don't have to wait all that long to do that.

[H4xooR]

I don't hate the game, but after 2 hours playing, i had zero motivation left to play it. Not because its crap, but its a niche game, not everybody will like it. The scenery is awesome, and the songs are 10/10, but that's all for me.

[rataj]

The hate is a result of the stupidity from developers in recent years.