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Nightbringer Jul 10, 2020 @ 3:30am
So how pretentious this game is?
I had a good laugh seeing this game having ,,Masterpiece" as Steam tag. I'm extremely sceptical that it deserves to be called as such and that it is just a fine example why Steam tags are going downhill. Or maybe I'm terribly wrong and this game is true masterpiece?

Seeing trailers it seems to be one of those games who are made for game critics rather than to be played.
Last edited by Nightbringer; Jul 10, 2020 @ 3:35am
Originally posted by Taketori:
Take it from someone who loved the game: it's pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ pretentious and it's not a masterpiece. But mostly because of the terrible writing. The actual ideas hidden within the story are beautiful and relevant, but story-wise the writing is pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, some of Kojima's absolute worst to date. But it's only terribad during the first few hours where you get nonsensical, circlejerking and cringeworthy exposition force-fed through a tube. It's vomit inducing. From then on it's not too bad. The codec messages are the most boring they have ever been throughout the history of Kojima's game catalogue because it's nothing but monotone exposition with no quirkiness or personality to characters, but the cutscenes have good cinematography and there are cool story moments sprinkled throughout the game, and it becomes pretty ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ insane at times, and in a cool way IMO.

If you can get past this, the only thing left for you to consider is if you like the gameplay. I love it, but a lot of people hate it and find it pretentious and that's why you see threads here everyday from people spamming "don't buy this garbage pos game". Don't listen to those people. Refund the game if you don't like it, but if you're curious about it, give it a go. I found the walking around to be very meditative and relaxing, and once building is introduced it can become outright addictive trying to gather resources in order to construct the best possible roads for you to make deliveries easier and quicker.

But a masterpiece it certainly is not. One of my favourites of 2019, but due to the awful writing it's definitely not one of the best games ever made.
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Barmy Deer 𝝙 Jul 11, 2020 @ 4:46am 
Originally posted by kiteless:
Originally posted by Barmy Deer:

And many other positive reviews!

No one cares about shill media, got to give it those 10/10 stunning and brave reviews if you want future free review copies and early access, otherwise enjoy being black listed.

Sony and Kojima also had thousands of user negative reviews of death stranding purged from metacritic. This whole industry is unbelievably corrupt.

Are you saying that at least 14 perfect scores from official reviewers, 25 awards won, and over 50 nominations so far shouldn't count because of assumed corruption and previous review bombing attempts? Metacritic itself removed those duplicate reviews as considered malicious attempts to manipulate sales, as they've explained. Metacritic, not Kojima nor Sony.

Feel free to dislike the game as an individual, but I find it very unlikely that all those reviewers and judges who awarded Death Stranding were being bribed!

Let's wait and see how users review it on Steam.
Last edited by Barmy Deer 𝝙; Jul 11, 2020 @ 4:47am
Originally posted by Barmy Deer:
Originally posted by kiteless:

No one cares about shill media, got to give it those 10/10 stunning and brave reviews if you want future free review copies and early access, otherwise enjoy being black listed.

Sony and Kojima also had thousands of user negative reviews of death stranding purged from metacritic. This whole industry is unbelievably corrupt.

Are you saying that at least 14 perfect scores from official reviewers, 25 awards won, and over 50 nominations so far shouldn't count because of assumed corruption and previous review bombing attempts? Metacritic itself removed those duplicate reviews as considered malicious attempts to manipulate sales, as they've explained. Metacritic, not Kojima nor Sony.

Feel free to dislike the game as an individual, but I find it very unlikely that all those reviewers and judges who awarded Death Stranding were being bribed!

Let's wait and see how users review it on Steam.

yes, the industry is totally corrupt. Just look at the last of us 2, the most perfect example you'll find of how out of touch paid shill media is with the consumer.

metacritic doesn't remove all the fake 10/10 reviews, just the negative ones, funny that. Also they are talking about disabling users from posting day1 reviews now, they are bending the knee to the corporates, just like rotten tomatoes did, even stream implemented a system to ignore 'review bomb' reviews.

The system is corrupt, media reviews mean nothing anymore
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Linyos Torvoltos Jul 11, 2020 @ 6:51am 
Originally posted by Nightbringer:
That is the point. You do not create your own nouns in game description. It heavily reminds me bad fantasies and other stories where writer makes up thousands of in game events which we are supposed to know about. Story keeps mentioning kingdom of blalbla in a great event called dgfjkjks kingdom had fallen to scourge of koodykoo. We are the only hope because we were blessed by daddydo. All those nonsensical words are references to in universe lore which writer did not established prior. It is exactly what I hear when reading such stories and here, Death Stranding says exactly zero to me.

Here is an example of why I hate such writing, especially in games.

https://youtu.be/yJNMkroM8zQ

I mean, you can make up your own nouns if it fits the world you're building. That's the wonderful thing about fiction.

The "Death Stranding" isn't something that gets brought up like you're supposed to know what it is, the game expects you to not know what it is and it gets explained.

It's THE thing the game's plot centers around. The game explains what it is, how it came to be and all the other stuff you'd need to know about it. Sam, who should know enough about it given that he's a porter and has to deal with the effects of it in his work pre game start conveniently starts the game not really knowing much for the sake of the players so that there's a reason for characters to explain what the various effects of the Death Stranding are (For example, Timefall, BT's and Chirality), their consequences and how people are dealing with them.

It doesn't fit your analogy at all. Even then these made up things can work pretty well in world building but only if you're given enough info to understand what it is. Either through direct exposition or just giving you enough info to infer what this new thing is about.

Originally posted by Nightbringer:

Barring Lea Seydoux, the rest are pretty big names.

I doubt that many gamers know that they are. Shouldn't Steam front page be more concerned about telling people what this game is all about? In my eyes, this game tries to throw its street cred at me by trying to convince me to buy it this way rather than telling me what a great game it is and that I would have fun playing it.

I mean if you watch films and TV then you'll know who these people are. Plus the store page does explain what it's about although it is pretty brief. It's one of those games that you can't really give a detailed description about without spoiling too much. The store page even has several trailers and screenshots that you can view to give yourself a better idea of the game.
Nightbringer Jul 11, 2020 @ 7:56am 
No, you can't just make up your own nouns, because that is pretentious. I do not know what your made up word means and it only leaves me confused and disinterested in a story. That is a basic rookie mistake when writing a story. It is all about exposition and no context, no introduction. Such stories often can be seen where a game for example has plenty of made up words which it uses as nouns and verbs while not bothering to explain what those are. This game is a good example. Death Stranding is not a single noun. There is no such thing in a dictionary. How I'm supposed to know what it means? Entire description page of this game is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ as it has no relevant information to tell what this game is about. I can only guess from all available information that some vague apocalypse had happened and this game is about managing your inventory in an open world (thanks steam users for defining genre of this game fore me).

You also completely misunderstood the point. There is no explanation of this in description menu of this game. I'm a potentially new player who got sceptical about this game after seeing "masterpiece" tag and thought that it is just another pretentious game which loves to smell its own farts all die while being delusional at how good it is. After seeing what developers left for us, trailers and descriptions, that impression was only reinforced. Description of this game do not talk about this game at all. It throws some vague lines with its made up words and that is it. It expects you to buy it, because of its street cred. This is why it is throwing random names at you.

Another major point about how pretentious it is, is its mention of high framerate and high resolution. That is such basic thing and game makes a huge fuss about it. It is like Apple being 10 years behind technologically with their phones and making big fuss when they reinvent or acquire technologies which were a standard for everyone else a decade ago.

Linyos Torvoltos Jul 11, 2020 @ 8:43am 
Originally posted by Nightbringer:
No, you can't just make up your own nouns, because that is pretentious. I do not know what your made up word means and it only leaves me confused and disinterested in a story. That is a basic rookie mistake when writing a story. It is all about exposition and no context, no introduction. Such stories often can be seen where a game for example has plenty of made up words which it uses as nouns and verbs while not bothering to explain what those are. This game is a good example. Death Stranding is not a single noun. There is no such thing in a dictionary. How I'm supposed to know what it means? Entire description page of this game is just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ as it has no relevant information to tell what this game is about. I can only guess from all available information that some vague apocalypse had happened and this game is about managing your inventory in an open world (thanks steam users for defining genre of this game fore me).

I mean tell that to a massive chunk of media that are out that literally have their own nouns and words and such that either dont follow dictionary definitions or aren't even in the dictionary. The wonderful thing about fiction is that stuff often isn't grounded in our reality. Hell entire fictional languages/alphabets exist through fiction.

One example that comes to mind is S.T.A.L.K.E.R where the term "Stalker" doesn't follow the dictionary definition. Stalker in that series' case is someone who illegally enters and resides within the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone. As opposed to the dictionary definition.

You're supposed to know what "Death Stranding" means/is by playing the game ya big dum dum.

And yeah, the description is pretty spot on. An apocalyptic event has happened and you've got to navigate the ruined world left behind(Sam Bridges must brave a world utterly transformed by the Death Stranding.) and you've got to reconnect the US which has been split due to the Death Stranding. (he embarks on a journey to reconnect the shattered world one step at a time.) and to do that you literally have to connect cities together onto what is basically the internet but it uses the Death Stranding's phenomenon to work. (The Chiral Network). The whole "Carrying the disconnected remnants of our future in his hands" is the fact that the future of the US is pretty much down to him and later the future of the human race.

Originally posted by Nightbringer:
You also completely misunderstood the point. There is no explanation of this in description menu of this game. I'm a potentially new player who got sceptical about this game after seeing "masterpiece" tag and thought that it is just another pretentious game which loves to smell its own farts all die while being delusional at how good it is. After seeing what developers left for us, trailers and descriptions, that impression was only reinforced. Description of this game do not talk about this game at all. It throws some vague lines with its made up words and that is it. It expects you to buy it, because of its street cred. This is why it is throwing random names at you.

The tags are entirely user generated. That's not Kojima/Valve labelling the game as a masterpiece that's the users that are tagging the game. The reason is on the store page is because people are tagging it as that. I'd say that the trailers give you a pretty good example of what the game is and what the themes are and such without telling you too much. It's one of those games where an in depth description will probably spoil some of the plot points. The trailers, having played the game myself, don't spoil the game at all.

It's throwing names of some pretty well known actors. I'm not a big TV/Movie buff but I can tell you that Norman Reedus is most well known for playing Daryl in TWD and Lindsay Wagner was The Bionic Woman. Which are quite well known titles. Plus it's not every day you see a game with a cast made up of some big names which is why they're a marketing point.


Originally posted by Nightbringer:
Another major point about how pretentious it is, is its mention of high framerate and high resolution. That is such basic thing and game makes a huge fuss about it. It is like Apple being 10 years behind technologically with their phones and making big fuss when they reinvent or acquire technologies which were a standard for everyone else a decade ago.


That's not really pretentious. Like I said before, they're marketing points over the PS4 version and it's there to show that they've actually put some effort into the port. Considering most console ports we get don't even get the basics right and dont support Framerates above 30/60 and Ultrawide resolutions.
Last edited by Linyos Torvoltos; Jul 11, 2020 @ 8:46am
Nightbringer Jul 11, 2020 @ 9:16am 
Gaming media at large does not have this tendency. Even your example with stalker is wrong. Stalker means an lonely individual, sometimes someone who stalks or hunts his prey. Here is an official definition:

a person who hunts game stealthily

It is an effective title with a real noun. I'm amazed that you see no difference between Stalker and Death Stranding, especially since what you wrote later on was exactly what I was talking about. I do not know if you wrote it intentionally since the story is absolute nonsense. It is like writer took a key word out and left us to fill the blanks.

An apocalyptic event has happened and you've got to navigate the ruined world left behind(Sam Bridges must brave a world utterly transformed by the BLANK.) and you've got to reconnect the US which has been split due to the BLANK. (he embarks on a journey to reconnect the shattered world one step at a time.) and to do that you literally have to connect cities together onto what is basically the internet but it uses the BLANK's phenomenon to work. (BLANK'). The whole "Carrying the disconnected remnants of our future in his hands" is the fact that the future of the US is pretty much down to him and later

This is how much I and anyone else understands about the story. Others pretend they do in order to feel more intelligent. I could use any generic term and meaning would not change. I see same thing with Destiny story telling, but at least there writers at least got a dictionary and put random verbs in form of nouns to mean a pretentious nonsense which is never explained. But that of course does not prevent them vomiting through the pen and writing few novels worth of text in disjointed excerpts about random stuff.

The tags are entirely user generated. That's not Kojima/Valve labelling the game as a masterpiece that's the users that are tagging the game.

Misleading tags are fitting to a game without any story/gameplay trailers and description. Well, at least I know this is a masterpiece of a game set in an open world where you manage your inventory. Sounds like fun!

That's not really pretentious. Like I said before, they're marketing points over the PS4 version and it's there to show that they've actually put some effort into the port. Considering most console ports we get don't even get the basics right and dont support Framerates above 30/60 and Ultrawide resolutions

That is pretentious, because that is very little work to do. High framerate means that they did not arbitrary decided to lock FPS. High screen resolution means that they had rendered their artwork in high resolution. Both of those things demand like zero extra work. When I purchase game, this is something what is expected. Lets say, Red Dead Redemption 2. This game can be run at high frame rate. It is not locked at 30 FPS for no damn reason. They are also come with ultrawide resolution. Yet, for some reason I did not seen Red Dead Redemption 2 making it THEIR BLOODY MAJOR SELLING POINT OF THEIR GAME.
Last edited by Nightbringer; Jul 11, 2020 @ 9:21am
Zer01neDev Jul 11, 2020 @ 9:19am 
I see that DeathStranding still making people rage and hate....

Nice, it prove again that is a MasterPiece, finished on PS4 Pro, will finish it again on my PC in UWQHD@60FPS+.

:steamsalty:
Originally posted by Zer01neDev:
I see that DeathStranding still making people rage and hate....

Nice, it prove again that is a MasterPiece, finished on PS4 Pro, will finish it again on my PC in UWQHD@60FPS+.

:steamsalty:

not sure how something that makes people 'rage' or 'hate' equates to masterpiece, interesting logic.
Originally posted by kiteless:
Originally posted by Barmy Deer:

Are you saying that at least 14 perfect scores from official reviewers, 25 awards won, and over 50 nominations so far shouldn't count because of assumed corruption and previous review bombing attempts? Metacritic itself removed those duplicate reviews as considered malicious attempts to manipulate sales, as they've explained. Metacritic, not Kojima nor Sony.

Feel free to dislike the game as an individual, but I find it very unlikely that all those reviewers and judges who awarded Death Stranding were being bribed!

Let's wait and see how users review it on Steam.

yes, the industry is totally corrupt. Just look at the last of us 2, the most perfect example you'll find of how out of touch paid shill media is with the consumer.

metacritic doesn't remove all the fake 10/10 reviews, just the negative ones, funny that. Also they are talking about disabling users from posting day1 reviews now, they are bending the knee to the corporates, just like rotten tomatoes did, even stream implemented a system to ignore 'review bomb' reviews.

The system is corrupt, media reviews mean nothing anymore

And the users themselves are NOT corrupt? Death Stranding got review bombed on the first day of its release by soy boys. There were no glitches, no crashes, nothing. The gameplay way perfectly fine with no dips in framerate either. And somehow people decided to review bomb it?

Why? Because they didn't get what they wanted? What the hell they did want anyway? Kojima showed so many times what the game is about, and people still tought it was something else.

Professional reviews are ALWAYS better than amateur incel breeding ones because people are angry ♥♥♥♥♥ who can't control their emotions over a video game.

TLOU2 got the scores it deserved. Some gave them a free pass of 10 out of 10, some were harsher, and the combining factor of metacritic gave it a score based on those reviews. Both high and low.

So was Death Stranding. Some reviews were perfect, others were not. It got the score it deserved. If Sony or whoever actually payed to get perfect scores, you bet it would be in the upper +90 metacritic, but it isn't. It got a fair score for what the game is.

People have a right to voice their opinion if they dislike something, however they have NO right to review bomb something because they are angry. Just look at Resident Evil 8. People already hate it, and it didn't even release.
Waffles Jul 11, 2020 @ 9:36am 
Originally posted by kiteless:
Originally posted by Zer01neDev:
I see that DeathStranding still making people rage and hate....

Nice, it prove again that is a MasterPiece, finished on PS4 Pro, will finish it again on my PC in UWQHD@60FPS+.

:steamsalty:

not sure how something that makes people 'rage' or 'hate' equates to masterpiece, interesting logic.

Masterpieces tend to be highly polarizing. Not saying DS is, mind, i havent even decided on getting it or not. Could be a ♥♥♥♥ port for all we know.
Linyos Torvoltos Jul 11, 2020 @ 9:46am 
Originally posted by Nightbringer:
Gaming media at large does not have this tendency. Even your example with stalker is wrong. Stalker means an lonely individual, sometimes someone who stalks or hunts his prey. Here is an official definition:

a person who hunts game stealthily

It is an effective title with a real noun. I'm amazed that you see no difference between Stalker and Death Stranding, especially since what you wrote later on was exactly what I was talking about. I do not know if you wrote it intentionally since the story is absolute nonsense. It is like writer took a key word out and left us to fill the blanks.

Stalkers aren't often on their own. There's multiple factions like Duty, Freedom, Monolith and so on and they aren't often stealthy about it. The only "Faction" that what you said would apply to are the Loners. Other than that most Stalkers often band together even if it's only temporary because safety in numbers is a big thing in The Zone. Given all the mutants, the bandits, the military and anomalies. Hell even in the books and film the games were based off people often entered the Zone in at least groups of 2 or more. Those to entered on their own were almost guaranteed to get ♥♥♥♥♥♥ over by something. So even then Stalker doesn't necessarily follow the dictionary definition. Even the game states that the term follows what I said in my previous post.

But hey you want another example? Just look at the Dune novels and all the terminology the author's made up for those books.

https://dune.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_Dune_terminology

Originally posted by Nightbringer:
An apocalyptic event has happened and you've got to navigate the ruined world left behind(Sam Bridges must brave a world utterly transformed by the BLANK.) and you've got to reconnect the US which has been split due to the BLANK. (he embarks on a journey to reconnect the shattered world one step at a time.) and to do that you literally have to connect cities together onto what is basically the internet but it uses the BLANK's phenomenon to work. (The Chiral Network). The whole "Carrying the disconnected remnants of our future in his hands" is the fact that the future of the US is pretty much down to him and later

This is how much I and anyone else understands about the story. Others pretend they do in order to feel more intelligent. I could use any generic term and meaning would not change. I see same thing with Destiny story telling, but at least there writers at least got a dictionary and put random verbs in form of nouns to mean a pretentious nonsense which is never explained. But that of course does not prevent them vomiting through the pen and writing few novels worth of text in disjointed excerpts about random stuff.

Of course you're not going to understand what The Death Stranding is if you've not played the game ya dum dum. A games description isn't going to explain in detail the thing that you're not supposed to understand until you play the game. The whole point is to get you interested in knowing what it is and playing the game to understand it.

Given that I've played and completed the game (Roughly 50-60 hours. If you'd really like to see proof I'll screenshot it) then nah, it's not something you complete and then you're still confused about what it all is. Unless you've deliberately not payed attention or read any of the emails and such Sam receives through the game.

I'm not entirely familiar with Destiny lore. I've played a fair bit of Destiny 2 but I'm not really versed in the lore outside of the story that we got on the games release and the story in the Osiris expansion.

Originally posted by Nightbringer:
The tags are entirely user generated. That's not Kojima/Valve labelling the game as a masterpiece that's the users that are tagging the game.

Misleading tags are fitting to a game without any story/gameplay trailers and description. Well, at least I know this is a masterpiece of a game set in an open world where you manage your inventory. Sounds like fun!

That's on the steam userbase, not the game as I said in that quote. Blame the users for that one.

Originally posted by Nightbringer:
That's not really pretentious. Like I said before, they're marketing points over the PS4 version and it's there to show that they've actually put some effort into the port. Considering most console ports we get don't even get the basics right and dont support Framerates above 30/60 and Ultrawide resolutions

That is pretentious, because that is very little work to do. High framerate means that they did not arbitrary decided to lock FPS. High screen resolution means that they had rendered their artwork in high resolution. Both of those things demand like zero extra work. When I purchase game, this is something what is expected. Lets say, Red Dead Redemption 2. This game can be run at high frame rate. It is not locked at 30 FPS for no damn reason. They are also come with ultrawide resolution. Yet, for some reason I did not seen Red Dead Redemption 2 making it THEIR BLOODY MAJOR SELLING POINT OF THEIR GAME.

I mean they could have just made a direct port. Like Killer is Dead, Dark Souls PTDE, Deadly Premonition, and all the other piss poor ports that barely support any of the things that are standard in a native PC game.

Locking the FPS is common in Japanese titles as it's pretty common for them to use the old practice of tying game elements to the FPS which means that going above or below the locked framerate leads to issues like games running to fast. Mechanics being tied to the FPS was quite a common practice for a while as it was much simpler to do as opposed to using Delta Time. Especially on consoles were you would target a specific framerate anyway.

Dark Souls 2's original (Not SotFS) port had a massive durability issue as durability damage is calculated based on how many frame your weapon is in contact with something during an attack. Higher frame rates means more durability damage.

It specifically mentions "Ultrawide Monitor Support" something that a lot of PC games still seem to be lacking, or they support it at the cost of visual issues like having some amount of the top and bottom cut off. It's also something that a direct port wouldn't support. Like Dark Souls PTDE. It technically supports 1080p but it's internal renderer only outputs at a max res of 720p due to it being a poor, direct port of the console version.

RDR 2 isn't a console exclusive making it's way onto PC like Death Stranding is.

Dude, it's fine if you don't like the game. But you're leaning way into pants on head retarded levels of reaching to justify your hate for the game. If you don't like it, you don't like it. No need for crazy levels of reaching to justify it.
BlastThyName Jul 11, 2020 @ 9:53am 
A game that tries something different should not be lazily labeled as pretentious. I'm glad to have games like these to elevate the medium.
"Fun" is about engagement to me.
Linyos Torvoltos Jul 11, 2020 @ 9:59am 
Originally posted by GLUE:
And the users themselves are NOT corrupt? Death Stranding got review bombed on the first day of its release by soy boys. There were no glitches, no crashes, nothing. The gameplay way perfectly fine with no dips in framerate either. And somehow people decided to review bomb it?

Why? Because they didn't get what they wanted? What the hell they did want anyway? Kojima showed so many times what the game is about, and people still tought it was something else.

Professional reviews are ALWAYS better than amateur incel breeding ones because people are angry ♥♥♥♥♥ who can't control their emotions over a video game.

TLOU2 got the scores it deserved. Some gave them a free pass of 10 out of 10, some were harsher, and the combining factor of metacritic gave it a score based on those reviews. Both high and low.

So was Death Stranding. Some reviews were perfect, others were not. It got the score it deserved. If Sony or whoever actually payed to get perfect scores, you bet it would be in the upper +90 metacritic, but it isn't. It got a fair score for what the game is.

People have a right to voice their opinion if they dislike something, however they have NO right to review bomb something because they are angry. Just look at Resident Evil 8. People already hate it, and it didn't even release.

Professional reviews are incentivized to give a game favourable reviews by big name publishers. Journos who don't follow this end up blacklisted for review copies which are pretty crucial as you always want to be THE FIRST to review a game as that pulls in the most attention and of course, that revenue. Check out Someordinarygamers' and Ranton's videos on review copies for better info.

Oh boy you used the "Incel" insult. That really invalidates peoples opinions because they're incels right? Oh no, someone has a different opinion? They must be an incel! Seriously though, incel is a pretty weak insult at this point because it's so overused. I'll agree that a majority of the hate it got are people leaning into the "Lol walking sim" meme or in the case of a few reviews (Dunkey/Critikal) they didn't exactly play the game properly which is why they ran into the issues they did. Both their reviews had the point of the game being very awkward and too difficult yet from the looks of things they weren't resting up and were often low on stamina which causes most of the issues they had ESPECIALLY falling over too much.


Incentivizing reviews isn't always straight up bribery, like I said they usually blacklist people from review copies if they don't give games favourable reviews and while Death Stranding is a big game, it's a little lower on their priority list. Especially if you consider the likes of GoW/TLOU2/Bloodborne as their major system selling games. Hence less of that incentive.

I'd say people have the right to review bomb games that have a major ♥♥♥♥ up. But hating on an unreleased game is dum dum. But then again you also have people that glorify games that aren't even out yet. Look at TLOU2 and Cyberpunk. TLOU2 was getting mad praise before it was out and people are making Cyberpunk look like the second coming of Christ.
Nasher Jul 11, 2020 @ 10:00am 
Maximum pretentious, totally full of itself. But the game isn't actually very good.
Last edited by Nasher; Jul 11, 2020 @ 10:01am
Sticky White Stuff Jul 11, 2020 @ 10:29am 
Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Really Hard:
Originally posted by GLUE:
And the users themselves are NOT corrupt? Death Stranding got review bombed on the first day of its release by soy boys. There were no glitches, no crashes, nothing. The gameplay way perfectly fine with no dips in framerate either. And somehow people decided to review bomb it?

Why? Because they didn't get what they wanted? What the hell they did want anyway? Kojima showed so many times what the game is about, and people still tought it was something else.

Professional reviews are ALWAYS better than amateur incel breeding ones because people are angry ♥♥♥♥♥ who can't control their emotions over a video game.

TLOU2 got the scores it deserved. Some gave them a free pass of 10 out of 10, some were harsher, and the combining factor of metacritic gave it a score based on those reviews. Both high and low.

So was Death Stranding. Some reviews were perfect, others were not. It got the score it deserved. If Sony or whoever actually payed to get perfect scores, you bet it would be in the upper +90 metacritic, but it isn't. It got a fair score for what the game is.

People have a right to voice their opinion if they dislike something, however they have NO right to review bomb something because they are angry. Just look at Resident Evil 8. People already hate it, and it didn't even release.

Professional reviews are incentivized to give a game favourable reviews by big name publishers. Journos who don't follow this end up blacklisted for review copies which are pretty crucial as you always want to be THE FIRST to review a game as that pulls in the most attention and of course, that revenue. Check out Someordinarygamers' and Ranton's videos on review copies for better info.

Oh boy you used the "Incel" insult. That really invalidates peoples opinions because they're incels right? Oh no, someone has a different opinion? They must be an incel! Seriously though, incel is a pretty weak insult at this point because it's so overused. I'll agree that a majority of the hate it got are people leaning into the "Lol walking sim" meme or in the case of a few reviews (Dunkey/Critikal) they didn't exactly play the game properly which is why they ran into the issues they did. Both their reviews had the point of the game being very awkward and too difficult yet from the looks of things they weren't resting up and were often low on stamina which causes most of the issues they had ESPECIALLY falling over too much.


Incentivizing reviews isn't always straight up bribery, like I said they usually blacklist people from review copies if they don't give games favourable reviews and while Death Stranding is a big game, it's a little lower on their priority list. Especially if you consider the likes of GoW/TLOU2/Bloodborne as their major system selling games. Hence less of that incentive.

I'd say people have the right to review bomb games that have a major ♥♥♥♥ up. But hating on an unreleased game is dum dum. But then again you also have people that glorify games that aren't even out yet. Look at TLOU2 and Cyberpunk. TLOU2 was getting mad praise before it was out and people are making Cyberpunk look like the second coming of Christ.

They don't get blacklisted for giving the game a professional score on what they think is fair. IGN gave it around 6.7 if i remember correctly. They weren't blacklisted by Sony or Kojima Productions because of that. Professional reviews give more unbiased reviews than non-professional reviews. Death Stranding was a major Sony title, with a Big BIG budget and promotions and didn't met the expectations of critics and people.

Again, no one got blacklisted. I don't care about meme reviewers like Dunkey or Critical. They are exactly that, meme reviewers who give nothing and add nothing to the overall experience besides their ranting and laughing. They road a bike on rough terrain and expected magic. How idiotic can someone be?

Yes, i used Incel Soy Boys as a insult, because that's exactly how they behave. If they behaved with common sense i wouldn't be calling them out as idiots.
All the games you listed deserved all the scores they got, and nothing less and nothing more. Especially Bloodborne and GoW. TLOU2 is up to debate how polarizing it is, but gameplay wise it is perfection from start to finish.

You think i didn't heed the warnings of TLOU2 before i purchased it at the last day to get the Deluxe Edition? And what did i get. One of the best games out of this years. If i listened to some YouTubers rant like Griffin, i wouldn't have enjoyed one of the major releases this year.
Instead i went with Ghost of Tsushima. But i ended up buying both of them, which was a smart move.

What game had a major ♥♥♥♥ up this year? None. None of the games had any bugs, problems, audio de-syncs or crashes. If you dislike the game, give it a fair score. "I disliked the story, but i liked the gameplay." I mean, anyone who liked the combat in the first TLOU would like the combat in the second game, because it was greatly expanded with more stealth, more sandbox, more gore and everything in-between like 10 times better. But no, people are giving it a 0 or a 1 because muh story, which wasn't even bad but ignore other games with horrible story elements while praising the gameplay. And not every professional reviewer gave it a perfect score, or even a good score. Some were a bit more critical than the others, because it was more of the same, but better.

So no, no game deserves to be review bombed by angry little children. But they deserve to give fair warnings and reviews, both positive and negative. As amateur consumers, they can also give biased reviews too. But they have to know that it impacts the game industry one way or another. If a developer fixes a problem, then the person should fix the review and add a disclaimer what actually happened.

Cyberpunk had a lot to show before release, obviously there was hype about it. They promised videos, they delivered gameplay videos. People know the product is in good hands, and even i pre-ordered it on my PS4. Even tho it got delayed, but eventually a finished product is better than a rushed one.

Then, there is Resident Evil 8. A game about BioWeapons, not Zombies which are a by-product of the Virus itself. They hate it so much, because it resembles the locales of RE4, and it's probably going to be in first person (Just like the First Resident Evil game was suppose to be on the PS1 but couldn't because of hardware limitations).

So yeah, obviously "gamers" make me angry with their narrow point of view oh how to perceive media. They themselves don't know what they want, but they want something that is spinning in their head, not the actual product.

You have to do something REALLY stupid and horrible to get Blacklisted. No major site will get blacklisted for giving a game a low or lower score and pointing the obvious flaws in it.
But you bet the angry YouTubers WILL get blacklisted the moment they start trash talking about the game or the company instead on focusing on the game itself and trying to be non-biased as much as they can, and go with an open mind.
Some do it even on purpose, because memes, the DNA of the soul.
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