what is exactly Denuvo and why are people upset?

[jcalof]

im debating to purchase as it does have denuvo but a pc is much better at holding fps and i did buy a gaming rig so would i have great specs for this on a ryxen 3600x with a geforce rtx 2080 TI i would think? My ps4 version stutters but is this capable of using my ps4 controller? i never really game on my pc except for detroit become human

[Juular]

Denuvo is a DRM that encrypts the game's executable and checks in online before running the game, it's an anti-pirating measure that gained notoriety due to it being hard to crack (most Denuvo haters are just pirates who are salty that they can't pirate it day-1), need for internet connection to play and a small performance impact that you'll feel only if you're playing on a weak machine, which yours is not by far. Also there is the argument that when Denuvo online check will stop working in 10 years you will lose your access to your game, however, almost all developers and publishers remove Denuvo in 1-2 years, since it served its purpose of protecting initial sales and costs them money (it's a subscription-based service). Your machine will run DS in its full glory, game media claims the optimization is top-notch, so don't worry about Denuvo, you won't even know it's there, come join us on launch

P.S. your PS4 controller should work, read up on setting it up on PC, but in case it doesn't, you can always refund the game if you have less than 2 hours playtime and you bought it less than 2 weeks ago (pre-orders count after the game is released).

[jcalof]

thank you for the reply i learned alot!

[Fayaine]

Originally posted by Juular:

Denuvo is a DRM that encrypts the game's executable and checks in online before running the game, it's an anti-pirating measure that gained notoriety due to it being hard to crack (most Denuvo haters are just pirates who are salty that they can't pirate it day-1), need for internet connection to play and a small performance impact that you'll feel only if you're playing on a weak machine, which yours is not by far. Also there is the argument that when Denuvo online check will stop working in 10 years you will lose your access to your game, however, almost all developers and publishers remove Denuvo in 1-2 years, since it served its purpose of protecting initial sales and costs them money (it's a subscription-based service). Your machine will run DS in its full glory, game media claims the optimization is top-notch, so don't worry about Denuvo, you won't even know it's there, come join us on launch :lunar2019wavingpig:

P.S. your PS4 controller should work, read up on setting it up on PC, but in case it doesn't, you can always refund the game if you have less than 2 hours playtime and you bought it less than 2 weeks ago (pre-orders count after the game is released).

^ This never had Denuvo issues. Its not any worse than previous DRM in my opinion even better. Securom had limited Activation Tokens and when you didn't properly uninstall you had to contact Support and such. Denuvo resets those automaticly and only needs to connect once a month if even. I mean we are in 2020 you will somehow connect to the internet in a month lol.
Most of the time its pirates complaining they can't pirate their new game on Day 1

[jcalof]

i bought this 1 time on ps4 and am glad i can finally use this gaming rig

[jcalof]

i am a bit bothered that its the exact price of 79.99 in canada not sure about taxes

[Juular]

To my knowledge, you pay what you see and not a cent more, the price always includes all the applicable taxes.

[lukaself]

If you're interested with an unbiased technical explanation of what Denuvo is and how it works you may appreciate this wiki: https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Denuvo

After that it's up to you to decide if the additional limitations bother you or not.

On a personal note: to be fair, Denuvo is almost invisible as long as it works properly. When it fails however, it may completely prevent you from playing.

[Roccondil]

Originally posted by jcalof:

i am a bit bothered that its the exact price of 79.99 in canada not sure about taxes

Originally posted by Juular:

To my knowledge, you pay what you see and not a cent more, the price always includes all the applicable taxes.

A couple years ago the US government rammed through legislation that made it so online retailers had to collect the sales tax of the state the purchaser resides in. Thus for example if I live in Massachusetts I would have to pay their 6.25% rate on top of the game price, for a total of $63.75 for Death Stranding, though that's not shown on the store page. However, I am not sure how that works for a Canadian purchaser using CAD, purchasing from a US company's storefront.

However,@jcalof if you want to check on what total you'll pay, you can always add the game to your cart- that'll show you what you will be paying, and you can always remove it if the price is not what you can afford right now.

[Weisssilber]

Originally posted by Roccondil:

A couple years ago the US government rammed through legislation that made it so online retailers had to collect the sales tax of the state the purchaser resides in. Thus for example if I live in Massachusetts I would have to pay their 6.25% rate on top of the game price, for a total of $63.75 for Death Stranding, though that's not shown on the store page. However, I am not sure how that works for a Canadian purchaser using CAD, purchasing from a US company's storefront.

However,@jcalof if you want to check on what total you'll pay, you can always add the game to your cart- that'll show you what you will be paying, and you can always remove it if the price is not what you can afford right now.

The USA is the only country I can think of, that displays prices in stores and adds the taxes at the checkout. At least I know, that here in the EU the price on on the product will be what I have to pay.

[jcalof]

WOW!!!! There is a major sales tax

Sales tax will be calculated during checkout where applicable

[Kuldiin]

"most Denuvo haters are just pirates who are salty that they can't pirate it day-1"

How quickly you showed yourself as a fool.

[Fayaine]

Originally posted by Kuldiin:

"most Denuvo haters are just pirates who are salty that they can't pirate it day-1"

How quickly you showed yourself as a fool.

Except i have the game preordered on Gamesplanet and waiting for my Key but okay lol. Look at my Steam Profile before calling me a pirate with 1,2k games lol
Its a fact those are who complain :p

[Weisssilber]

Originally posted by Fayaine:

Originally posted by Kuldiin:

"most Denuvo haters are just pirates who are salty that they can't pirate it day-1"

How quickly you showed yourself as a fool.

Except i have the game preordered on Gamesplanet and waiting for my Key but okay lol. Look at my Steam Profile before calling me a pirate with 1,2k games lol
Its a fact those are who complain :p

He was trying to quote Juular.
Also "most Denuvo haters" doesn't mean everyone.

[Juular]

Originally posted by Kuldiin:

How quickly you showed yourself as a fool.

Drop by r/crackwatch. Every discussion there around a game with Denuvo is quite telling. Call me a fool all you want, I'll get to enjoy DS on launch, and you'll be complaining about sour grapes.

[eqalidan]

Originally posted by Juular:

Originally posted by Kuldiin:

How quickly you showed yourself as a fool.

Drop by r/crackwatch. Every discussion there around a game with Denuvo is quite telling. Call me a fool all you want, I'll get to enjoy DS on launch, and you'll be complaining about sour grapes.

Denuvo is a second drm, ontop of steam drm, which can then be added to any other drm, if i remember right the worst was 5 layers deep of drm.

personally, denuvo makes modding games a nightmare if you are even able to at all, which especially in the early days of a game is required to get a mod community around it. look at fallout 4 and the way you mod that as an example of many things you just can't do with denuvo. there is also some debate if it cycles and kills ssds faster, people have seen excessive ssd writes with games with it, but that can come down to the nature of pcs bing finicky where you have 2 of the exact same pc, same software, but still get two seperate results. it's one of those things that isn't black and white.

personally if I day 1 a game its going to be from gog where they have no drm.