Ascend to Godhood

[=DeadShot=]

Can you ascend to godhood with the angel path?

[=DeadShot=]

Publicado originalmente por Neuromancer:

Publicado originalmente por fefnir3284:

Personal Ill never do this. Half the crap you have to do is 100% unforgivable. Killing angels, getting a scumbag traitor to stay with you, working with a person that murder millions. I don;t see why the godhood ending is strictly for evil characters and not a single good character. And no being mythic angel and committing all those crimes is not even plausible in my mind.

It's a dead stupid ending, I agree. They just like to make things as difficult as possible to achieve. It's like a peeve with them. Must..make it harder somehow...arithmetic to accomplish anything above story mode is not enough...oh I know mix in skill checks with monster difficulty settings...

I never killed angels or did anything evil. Well outside choosing to get some research instead of saving some hostages. But that it. It is not required to get the ending to be a monster.
So no to get to ascend you don't need to do anything evil you might want.
And as far difficulty goes only 1 requirement is from chapter 1-2(the crystal dagger and not spend it/sell it) . The rest is optional and can be skipped.

[GrandMajora]

Publicado originalmente por fefnir3284:

Personal Ill never do this. Half the crap you have to do is 100% unforgivable. Killing angels, getting a scumbag traitor to stay with you, working with a person that murder millions. I don;t see why the godhood ending is strictly for evil characters and not a single good character. And no being mythic angel and committing all those crimes is not even plausible in my mind.

To be fair, you have the option of not allowing Areelu to ascend with you. And when she's being judged by Pharasma at the end, you can choose not to intervene and let her get sent to the Abyss to receive her punishment.

But yeah, up until that point in the story, you're pretty much showing an interest in her work that only Nenio could possibly sympathize with. Not really something that the more good aligned paths would be interested in exploring.

[The Infinity Sock]

Publicado originalmente por =DeadShot=:

Publicado originalmente por GrandMajora:

It says you'll be pitted against "impossible enemies." So I think it will take your final game choices into account. Would be fun to see how our character fairs after becoming a full fledged demon lord, or demigod, or whatever else the paths lead to you ultimately turning into.

Basically I think outside Demonlord/Demi-God it would be harder. Because the ending gives you tiers of power you can end. Or it would be cosmetic(it will say Demonlord/Demi-God but realistically you will get nothing but what you had at the end of run, no powerup).
1. Demi-God/Demonlord
2. Mythic rank 10
3. Maybe Legend (depends on how level 40 compare with Mythic 10 Level 20 in power).
4. You can die(self sacrifice I think)

Well I don't think Owlcat will have much of a problem because by the end of WotR you have the power of a demigod or like a demigod and even if you are playing as a demigod you are playing as a newbie demigod and the DLC starts just after the final boss so you would even have had time to test out your new abilities

[GrandMajora]

Publicado originalmente por The Infinity Sock:

Well I don't think Owlcat will have much of a problem because by the end of WotR you have the power of a demigod or like a demigod and even if you are playing as a demigod you are playing as a newbie demigod and the DLC starts just after the final boss so you would even have had time to test out your new abilities

According to the Pathfinder wiki, both Demon and Empyreal Lords are roughly equivalent to Demigods in power. Though clearly still far below actual gods, if stories like Aroden and Desna are any indication.

That being said, Lamashtu did manage to steal the divinity of a previously existing god, when she was still a Demon Lord.

[The Infinity Sock]

Publicado originalmente por GrandMajora:

Publicado originalmente por The Infinity Sock:

Well I don't think Owlcat will have much of a problem because by the end of WotR you have the power of a demigod or like a demigod and even if you are playing as a demigod you are playing as a newbie demigod and the DLC starts just after the final boss so you would even have had time to test out your new abilities

According to the Pathfinder wiki, both Demon and Empyreal Lords are roughly equivalent to Demigods in power. Though clearly still far below actual gods, if stories like Aroden and Desna are any indication.

That being said, Lamashtu did manage to steal the divinity of a previously existing god, when she was still a Demon Lord.

Well even full gods can be outsmarted that's how Lamashtu was able to get Desna's mentor domain over beasts but Lamashtu was not fully successful Desna's mentor was able to send his other domain to Desna before he died which is why Lamashtu and Desna hate each other with a passion but on who we might be facing my bet is something from the far realms there powers can even rival gods all you need to look at what the far realm did to Dou-Bral they turned a god of beauty into the god of pain Zon-Kuthon

[Miskatonic]

I think you can rather easily roleplay an angel and still get the secret ending. You just have to be curious and looking for solutions to solve the worldwound problem. The angel path specifically lets you into Pulura early, so you can get the research there early. Which means you don't have to choose to sacrifice the researchers, or side with Nurah.

Although at the very end you will be making a very risky and uncertain decision purely for the sake of power and godhood, instead of the option that lets you immediately close the worldwound and stop the evil. I suppose that sort of powergrab is a bit at odds with a good character.

[The Infinity Sock]

Publicado originalmente por Miskatonic:

I think you can rather easily roleplay an angel and still get the secret ending. You just have to be curious and looking for solutions to solve the worldwound problem. The angel path specifically lets you into Pulura early, so you can get the research there early. Which means you don't have to choose to sacrifice the researchers, or side with Nurah.

Although at the very end you will be making a very risky and uncertain decision purely for the sake of power and godhood, instead of the option that lets you immediately close the worldwound and stop the evil. I suppose that sort of powergrab is a bit at odds with a good character.

I agree with you that the secret ending is very much a power grab I can see evil or neutral MC doing this ending but not a good MC

[michalbs87]

Well I agree to. Becoming Demigod to make more good sounds also fishy for me since they are forbiden from direct actions in mortal realm. You have power and cant use it. You can only guide and help indirectly. So its getting power for power itself.

[GrandMajora]

Publicado originalmente por michalbs87:

Well I agree to. Becoming Demigod to make more good sounds also fishy for me since they are forbiden from direct actions in mortal realm. You have power and cant use it. You can only guide and help indirectly. So its getting power for power itself.

I think that Demigods might have somewhat more leeway in that regard?

Demon Lords are pretty much demigod level, yet Deskari and Baphomet seem to have no issues running around the place.

[michalbs87]

Publicado originalmente por GrandMajora:

Publicado originalmente por michalbs87:

Well I agree to. Becoming Demigod to make more good sounds also fishy for me since they are forbiden from direct actions in mortal realm. You have power and cant use it. You can only guide and help indirectly. So its getting power for power itself.

I think that Demigods might have somewhat more leeway in that regard?

Demon Lords are pretty much demigod level, yet Deskari and Baphomet seem to have no issues running around the place.

It seems that demons are not considered demigods in any way. They are maybe more like angels which can do whatever they want in mankind plane.

[Realm Walker]

There are other ways of ascension that would make sense but are not implemented. Even, for example for the legend path:
(The following contains some spoilers about what bosses there are but also about some secrets that are to get unraveled in the game (regardless of indivuel choices during playthrough).)


I am kind of dissatisfied with the ending of my legend game. Through some mysterious means you draw enough power from just your self to become stronger than multiple demonlords, a gods herald and Areelu herself. (Let's be honest, she is the only boss who really is strong. Even some encounters with stronger demons were more difficult to defeat than the demon lords.) Just without mythic powers from the outside you can easily match an alternative Knight Commander on another mythic path that's not legend.
But actualy you still draw some mythic power from your chosen source from mythic rank 1 (for example heavens with "close to the heavens", chaos with "bit of fun" and elysium with "instrument of freedom"). So with that you are already roughly on a level of power a demigod has (if being stronger than demonlords is enough).

Just imagine how powerfull you would be if you do one of two things at or after the end of the story:
1. After the end of the fifth crusade you pick up Areelus research notes and infuse your being with the essence of a plane just like she did with the essence of the abyss. But maybe just take another planes essence if it's possible and you don't want to become a half demon.
2. You sacrifice Areelu to close the wound, safe your self and do not remove her childs soul from your own. Now you absorb enough power of mythic sources, for example nahyndrian crystals, so that you now have your legend powers plus mythic powers. aquiring this nahyndrian crystals from Nocticulas realm would not realy be a problem as you already rival demon lords in combat power (well, everytime they were not in their own realms which made them weaker). As we have seen in the abyss, even Nocticula relies on spies to gather information abou what is going on on her isles where the nahyndrian crystalls can be found. So secretly collecting a few of them should definitly be possible.
3. The good old "Try your luck at the test of the starstone"
4. Develop your powers even fourther: You managed to develop demonlord rivaling power in a few days in the quest to go onto the legend path. Just imagine what powerlevel you could reach in a similar way in years of devoted study and training of "your true self". Through this means you could maybe aquire godhood just like some mortals did before (for example Ivori).

Oh, and I just want to note that in the entry in your journal about the finished quest to embark in the legend path it says: "But there is nothing in the world that can not be undone." For me this just hints towards that at least lorewise you should be able to regain your mythic powers even if it's not possible in the "real" game.

[GrandMajora]

Publicado originalmente por Realm Walker:

There are other ways of ascension that would make sense but are not implemented. Even, for example for the legend path:
(The following contains some spoilers about what bosses there are but also about some secrets that are to get unraveled in the game (regardless of indivuel choices during playthrough).)

No, just because you're strong enough to take on Demon Lords, that doesn't make you even remotely close to the level of a god. Both this game, and even the lore itself has made it explicitly clear that the gods are practically all powerful within this setting.

They only suffer defeats if the plot needs them to do so. But outside of that, you have cases where they can straight up obliterate entire realms of existence with a flick of their wrist. The reason why the Worldwound hasn't been dealt with by now, isn't because the gods are incapable, but because if they got directly involved in the situation, it would kick off an apocalyptic war for control of the material plane.

At the time this game takes place, the only demon lord in the setting who has achieved true divinity is Lamashtu. All the others are just extremely powerful, unique demons. Even Nocticula herself does not have true divine power at the moment.

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But yes, I am disappointed the Legend path doesn't have the option to ascend. I was under the impression that going Legend was heavily building up to the possibility of becoming a demigod. You reject all these mythic abilities, learn to rely on your own inner strength, and that allows you to transcend beyond your mortal limits and become divine.

Hell, Iomedae's dialogue in Chapter 5 outright confirms that she became a goddess through experiencing her own trials and efforts, rather than having it handed to her on a platter.

But nope, going Legend results in you choosing to be a worthless mortal. An extremely powerful mortal, but still just a mortal. Only someone who chooses to rely on Mythic powers has the potential for godhood.

[Eitor Hamid]

Publicado originalmente por GrandMajora:

Publicado originalmente por Realm Walker:

There are other ways of ascension that would make sense but are not implemented. Even, for example for the legend path:
(The following contains some spoilers about what bosses there are but also about some secrets that are to get unraveled in the game (regardless of indivuel choices during playthrough).)

No, just because you're strong enough to take on Demon Lords, that doesn't make you even remotely close to the level of a god. Both this game, and even the lore itself has made it explicitly clear that the gods are practically all powerful within this setting.

They only suffer defeats if the plot needs them to do so. But outside of that, you have cases where they can straight up obliterate entire realms of existence with a flick of their wrist. The reason why the Worldwound hasn't been dealt with by now, isn't because the gods are incapable, but because if they got directly involved in the situation, it would kick off an apocalyptic war for control of the material plane.

At the time this game takes place, the only demon lord in the setting who has achieved true divinity is Lamashtu. All the others are just extremely powerful, unique demons. Even Nocticula herself does not have true divine power at the moment.

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But yes, I am disappointed the Legend path doesn't have the option to ascend. I was under the impression that going Legend was heavily building up to the possibility of becoming a demigod. You reject all these mythic abilities, learn to rely on your own inner strength, and that allows you to transcend beyond your mortal limits and become divine.

Hell, Iomedae's dialogue in Chapter 5 outright confirms that she became a goddess through experiencing her own trials and efforts, rather than having it handed to her on a platter.

But nope, going Legend results in you choosing to be a worthless mortal. An extremely powerful mortal, but still just a mortal. Only someone who chooses to rely on Mythic powers has the potential for godhood.

[Selvokaz]

you cant ascent as a devil either

[GrandMajora]

Publicado originalmente por Selvokaz:

you cant ascent as a devil either

Lies and falseries. I have personally done it a couple times. As an ascended Devil, you establish a black fortress of iron fisted tyranny within the Abyss