No Oracles of Apsu?

[Selvokaz]

i decided to retrain my character from sorc to oracle, and was surprised to see Oracles can't follow Apsu, why?

[pete3great]

Are you the right alignment?

[Selvokaz]

yeah, i was lawful good, but the prerequisites specifically said Oracle,

[Selvokaz]

i read the description more closely and i see why now, Apsu will not accept oracles because it requires inflicting a curse upon them, something that he is oppose to doing.

[AngelKnight]

Because they took the "Apsu has no Oracles" thing from the tabletop rules and thought that meant no Oracle would worship him, rather than just that he doesn't create them because he doesn't like the curses involved with it.

Personally though I don't agree with that and feel like Owlcat took that rule too far. Like yeah it's cool and unique for Apsu to not create Oracles but I don't see why an Oracle wouldn't consider worshipping him anyway when they can be atheists. The class isn't like Clerics where they need to believe in the deity to gain their powers, they're a bit more independent than that.

[AzureTheGamerKobold]

There are 100% Oracles who follow Apsu, my advice just get toybox and add it manually. I doubt it will have any adverse effects.

[Drake]

Originally posted by AngelKnight:

Because they took the "Apsu has no Oracles" thing from the tabletop rules and thought that meant no Oracle would worship him, rather than just that he doesn't create them because he doesn't like the curses involved with it.

Personally though I don't agree with that and feel like Owlcat took that rule too far. Like yeah it's cool and unique for Apsu to not create Oracles but I don't see why an Oracle wouldn't consider worshipping him anyway when they can be atheists. The class isn't like Clerics where they need to believe in the deity to gain their powers, they're a bit more independent than that.

Plus, apsu has a list of bonus spells for oracles in the legacy of dragons book...

The apsu has no oracles rule means that apsu can't be the origin of the mystery for the oracle. It doesn't mean an oracle can't worship apsu.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by AngelKnight:

Personally though I don't agree with that and feel like Owlcat took that rule too far. Like yeah it's cool and unique for Apsu to not create Oracles but I don't see why an Oracle wouldn't consider worshipping him anyway when they can be atheists. The class isn't like Clerics where they need to believe in the deity to gain their powers, they're a bit more independent than that.

You don't choose to become an Oracle, you are chosen to become one.

Even if you don't worship a deity (Atheist), you can still be chosen by one regardless of your feelings on the matter.

But in Apsu's case, he refuses to create them out of principle.

[Selvokaz]

Originally posted by AzureTheGamerKobold:

There are 100% Oracles who follow Apsu, my advice just get toybox and add it manually. I doubt it will have any adverse effects.

how would i even do that? like i have toybox and im always using it but im not familiar with an option to remove prequisites from classes, or how to assign a deity with it specifically.