About Kitsune?

[droggen]

I'm not very knowledgeable about the races of Pathfinder but I'm sure this is the Cat like race hybrid correct? If so I was wondering from watching other people play the game that you can use disguise as this race, So does the disguise have any narrative effect on the story or characters around you at all or will companions and other world NPC just know you're a Kitsune no matter what?

A question for people playing the Beta already of course.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by CDI Mario:

So Teiflings arnt devil specific, In fact they are basically Mixed race. if orcs were outsiders (once again idk pathfinder but in dnd they technically are because they stole that plot from Warcraft) then a Half orc would be a teifling too?
Edit. small bit of research. Pathfinder orcs come from the "Darkland" which is basically the Underdark. so they arnt technically teiflings unless theres something im missing, Maybe Rakshasa are native to the world or something in which it would open the gate for half orcs to be teiflings

I for a fact know Gnomes do not originate from the world so would their offspring with human parents be teiflings? since they originate from the "First World". Does it have to be of a higher power maybe?

Wait that means Aesamar are teiflings too. is the cutoff alignment? is there a Neutral race? wait is the neutral race the elemental races like the Oread

Not exactly. The story of orcs being from another world in D&D only applies to Gray Orcs.

Mountain Orcs were already present in Faerun. They're the ones who look more like pigs, and have a reputation for raping people. Gray Orcs are more civilized, and have the more humanoid appearance that the orcs have become known for.

The difference between Aasimar and Tieflings is that the later are descended from Fiends, while the former are descended from Celestials.

In other words, if your ancestor was an Angel, or an Azata, or an Archon, you might be born as an Aasimar.

If your ancestor was a Devil, Demon, or a Daemon, you might be born as a Tiefling.

I say 'might be born' because it doesn't always take effect. Sometimes the genes can skip multiple generations before they reveal themselves. Which can result in confusion and horror when two seemingly normal parents end up producing a Tiefling child because somebody a dozen generations back had relations with a Fiend.

I do not know what the situation is in Pathfinder (lore might be different), but in D&D, the Rakshasa are a race of Devils who found a way to bind themselves to the material plane, instead of the Nine Hells.

In Pathfinder, the Rakshasa can mate with mortal races to produce a sub-species known as the Beastbrood.

These are Tieflings who have features resembling various species of animals, with the most common stereotype being that of tigers. So, like I said, they are essentially a sub-race of furry Tieflings.

And no, Gnomes do not produce Tieflings, unless they either mate with a Fiend, or carry some of their blood in their lineage.

[CDI Mario]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by CDI Mario:

So Teiflings arnt devil specific, In fact they are basically Mixed race. if orcs were outsiders (once again idk pathfinder but in dnd they technically are because they stole that plot from Warcraft) then a Half orc would be a teifling too?
Edit. small bit of research. Pathfinder orcs come from the "Darkland" which is basically the Underdark. so they arnt technically teiflings unless theres something im missing, Maybe Rakshasa are native to the world or something in which it would open the gate for half orcs to be teiflings

I for a fact know Gnomes do not originate from the world so would their offspring with human parents be teiflings? since they originate from the "First World". Does it have to be of a higher power maybe?

Wait that means Aesamar are teiflings too. is the cutoff alignment? is there a Neutral race? wait is the neutral race the elemental races like the Oread

Not exactly. The story of orcs being from another world in D&D only applies to Gray Orcs.

Mountain Orcs were already present in Faerun. They're the ones who look more like pigs, and have a reputation for raping people. Gray Orcs are more civilized, and have the more humanoid appearance that the orcs have become known for.

The difference between Aasimar and Tieflings is that the later are descended from Fiends, while the former are descended from Celestials.

In other words, if your ancestor was an Angel, or an Azata, or an Archon, you might be born as an Aasimar.

If your ancestor was a Devil, Demon, or a Daemon, you might be born as a Tiefling.

I say 'might be born' because it doesn't always take effect. Sometimes the genes can skip multiple generations before they reveal themselves. Which can result in confusion and horror when two seemingly normal parents end up producing a Tiefling child because somebody a dozen generations back had relations with a Fiend.

I do not know what the situation is in Pathfinder (lore might be different), but in D&D, the Rakshasa are a race of Devils who found a way to bind themselves to the material plane, instead of the Nine Hells.

In Pathfinder, the Rakshasa can mate with mortal races to produce a sub-species known as the Beastbrood.

These are Tieflings who have features resembling various species of animals, with the most common stereotype being that of tigers. So, like I said, they are essentially a sub-race of furry Tieflings.

And no, Gnomes do not produce Tieflings, unless they either mate with a Fiend, or carry some of their blood in their lineage.

Whats the cutoff then, Could a nondevil being who resides in the hells produce a lineage with no differences? how can Gnomes, a race who apparently wasn't even mortal for most of their existence not produce some weird fey version of a Teifling. And by Tiefling im using it in a general term for Weird race that was mixed producing something completely different. Like an Asamar, Its a Teifling whos non human ancestor was a Good aligned creature. or an Oread, Someones ancestor was a sentient magic rock.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by CDI Mario:

Whats the cutoff then, Could a nondevil being who resides in the hells produce a lineage with no differences? how can Gnomes, a race who apparently wasn't even mortal for most of their existence not produce some weird fey version of a Teifling. And by Tiefling im using it in a general term for Weird race that was mixed producing something completely different. Like an Asamar, Its a Teifling whos non human ancestor was a Good aligned creature. or an Oread, Someones ancestor was a sentient magic rock.

Mind you, I have no idea if this is actually canon or not, as I'm a newbie to Pathfinder same as you. But in Kingmaker, they explained that the Gnomes were cursed by Pharasma as punishment for treating mortality like some kind of game.

They used to be Fey, but she cut them off from their connection to the First World, and destroyed their ability to regenerate their bodies upon death. They are no longer considered to be outsiders, or true Fey anymore. Now they're native inhabitants of the material plane.

As for the cut off point, it appears to be that Tieflings are born specifically from the lineage of evil outsiders.

Both the Oni and Rakshasa are considered to be 'Native Outsiders.' Meaning that they are extraplanar creatures who have somehow managed to bind themselves to the material plane, instead of residing in a different realm.

I know for a fact that the lore about Oni is different between D&D and Pathfinder. In D&D, the word 'Oni' is just another name for an Ogre Mage, but they are something different in Pathfinder.

Typically speaking, Fiends are created from the souls of evil mortals after their deaths. In the case of the Rakshasa and Oni, they are the reincarnated souls of mortals who were either addicted to, or fully obsessed with engaging in life's earthly pleasures. Their addiction to pleasure was so extreme, that they refused to let death stop them from pursuing it, causing them to return in the forms they have now.


https://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/outsiders/

[droggen]

So while I'm glad to see this post of mine get so many responses I kind of got the answers to my questions so if a mod would lock this topic that'd be great.

[Drakken]

They do have kitsune or anything like that,we just call them werefox, wererat, weresquirel , werehamster etc..

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Drakken:

They do have kitsune or anything like that,we just call them werefox, wererat, weresquirel , werehamster etc..

Ooooh yeah, I forgot Werefoxes were a thing in one of my dad's old monster manuals.

[CDI Mario]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by Drakken:

They do have kitsune or anything like that,we just call them werefox, wererat, weresquirel , werehamster etc..

Ooooh yeah, I forgot Werefoxes were a thing in one of my dad's old monster manuals.

dnd they are called Shifters if your looking for playable ones

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by CDI Mario:

dnd they are called Shifters

Do they actually take on an animal form? Artwork for them has lead me to believe that they only become, like, 1/3rd animal or something like that.

Basically, they're diet brand lycanthropes, for those who didn't want to pitch in the money for a complete fur suit.

[CDI Mario]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by CDI Mario:

dnd they are called Shifters

Do they actually take on an animal form? Artwork for them has lead me to believe that they only become, like, 1/3rd animal or something like that.

Basically, they're diet brand lycanthropes, who didn't want to pitch in the money for a complete fur suit.

they take on some animal traits but the plus side is THEY DONT LOSE CONTROL every full moon. You know, How lycantrhopes are suppose to act.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by CDI Mario:

they take on some animal traits but the plus side is THEY DONT LOSE CONTROL every full moon. You know, How lycantrhopes are suppose to act.

Only infected Lycanthropes are at risk of losing control, and only if they struggle to resist the curse.

Those who embrace the curse have a lot more control over themselves outside of the full moon. While those who are naturally born as Lycanthropes are described as having complete control over it.

[CDI Mario]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Originally posted by CDI Mario:

they take on some animal traits but the plus side is THEY DONT LOSE CONTROL every full moon. You know, How lycantrhopes are suppose to act.

Only infected Lycanthropes are at risk of losing control, and only if they struggle to resist the curse.

Those who embrace the curse, or those who are naturally born with Lycanthropy have full control over themselves.

if you wana play a furry power fantasy why not just go full scalie and play a half dragon. they dont have the gimped breath weapon like dragonborn and they have emotions unlike Lizardfolk

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by CDI Mario:

if you wana play a furry power fantasy why not just go full scalie and play a half dragon. they dont have the gimped breath weapon like dragonborn and they have emotions unlike Lizardfolk

The lizardfolk's lack of emotions makes them amusing to try and play correctly. Like, imagine a party consisting entirely of cold blooded psychopaths roaming around the countryside looking for food and crafting materials?

[Comfortable Capybara]

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

The lizardfolk's lack of emotions makes them amusing to try and play correctly. Like, imagine a party consisting entirely of cold blooded psychopaths roaming around the countryside looking for food and crafting materials?

Isn't this just most PC's in any CRPG, regardless of race? Including the paladins breaking into the houses of starving peasants to rifle through barrels and steal their last 3 gold.

[GrandMajora]

Originally posted by Miss Anthropy:

Isn't this just most PC's in any CRPG, regardless of race? Including the paladins breaking into the houses of starving peasants to rifle through barrels and steal their last 3 gold.

"Can not eat gold..." - Lizardman, probably.

But it would still be funny. One of the reasons why I love the monster races, is precisely because of how alien their perspective of the world is from humans. It makes them interesting and unique.

[Averagedog]

Originally posted by CDI Mario:

Originally posted by GrandMajora:

Only infected Lycanthropes are at risk of losing control, and only if they struggle to resist the curse.

Those who embrace the curse, or those who are naturally born with Lycanthropy have full control over themselves.

if you wana play a furry power fantasy why not just go full scalie and play a half dragon. they dont have the gimped breath weapon like dragonborn and they have emotions unlike Lizardfolk

It is simple. Because no CRPG Developers have put in the effort to change the character's model to look like a half dragon or a humanoid dragon like a dragonborn from D&D. There was a mod for it in the original neverwinter nights though, but even then it looked silly instead of convincingly like a dragon person. The most devs have done up to this point is add a pair of wings and add a reusable Dragon model just in different colors for Dragonkind/shapechange.

Kitsune look like how kitsune are expected to look like in their natural form and will even be getting their tail(s).